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NAEightySix · 03-02-2018, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx

Nameless headers IIRC also provided nice gains mid so i guess difference might be lesser then vs something like for example common UEL headers .. that was one of points they chosen during design phase going for mid optimization with also long-tube design instead of something like PTuning's that concentrated on top rpms for track use. That of course if my memory serves me right from reading that VEERY long thread of making/designing of nameless headers few years ago. Pitty Nameless still has that torque dip though, but otherwise they also have quality product.. just that in my eyes ace is better

. No torque dip, among best welds i've seen, mandrel bent, low angle collector. Where are flaws, damnit?

I originally looked at PTuning’s 4-1, but I think I was a bit naive to want that header just because it made the most peak horsepower of all of the ones I’d seen. A header with a strong midrange that can hold torque down to redline without dropping off too bad would likely make the biggest difference in acceleration, as opposed to one that only makes torque at the higher RPM range (I think).

However, I’ve seen some people that run a 4-1 header and use a shorter final drive ratio to give the car that added “torque” feel.

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CSG Mike · 03-02-2018, 04:59 PM

I can confirm that my 2017 with a ceramic coated Ace header and stock FP pulls on a lighter car (gutted 2013) that's catless with a Ptuning header.

Hades · 03-02-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I can confirm that my 2017 with a ceramic coated Ace header and stock FP pulls on a lighter car (gutted 2013) that's catless with a Ptuning header.

Nice. Any idea who the ptuning guy is using for tuning?

CSG Mike · 03-02-2018, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hades

Nice. Any idea who the ptuning guy is using for tuning?

Shawn Church. Peak power is super close to the Ace, on the two cars, but the ace pulls because it has more area under the curve.

It's a pretty definitive pull too, and the ptuning header car isn't slow; it pulls on s2ks in straight line.

FunnyGopher · 03-03-2018, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LeviDane

Lol it makes a difference but i'm sorry this car does not give you that pushed back in your seat feeling. It just doesn't have enough torque. But it will feel a bit more alive for sure.

Believe me i want that feeling but unless you have serious FI the GT86 won't provide it.

You're not allowed to tell me how I feel driving my car

No, it doesn't have the acceleration of an 10 second car with just the header and tune, but it's definitely noticeable IMO. It gained so much more torque over stock.

OP wanted feelings, which are opinionated, so I gave him my feelings from my experience.

nikitopo · 03-03-2018, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Shawn Church. Peak power is super close to the Ace, on the two cars, but the ace pulls because it has more area under the curve.

It's a pretty definitive pull too, and the ptuning header car isn't slow; it pulls on s2ks in straight line.

A 86/BRZ car with a changed header and a tune faster than a s2k on pulls? So how much do you gain now? 40-50hp? Ok!

CSG Mike · 03-03-2018, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo

A 86/BRZ car with a changed header and a tune faster than a s2k on pulls? So how much do you gain now? 40-50hp? Ok!

I don't know how many times you've seen this, but have it again!

Kodename47 · 03-03-2018, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I can confirm that my 2017 with a ceramic coated Ace header and stock FP pulls on a lighter car (gutted 2013) that's catless with a Ptuning header.

Final drive differences perhaps?

CSG Mike · 03-03-2018, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodename47

Final drive differences perhaps?

Actually the ptuning car runs an arrows 4.3FD and I have a 4.1 FD.

nikitopo · 03-03-2018, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I don't know how many times you've seen this, but have it again!

Lol, you have a tendency to over exaggerate things. We were not discussing here about E85, but just changing the header and the tune. You cannot pull a S2k in straight line with these two changes.

Lantanafrs2 · 03-03-2018, 08:22 AM

The ace obviously works and the results will not be matched with tune, intake and tb. Oh and gutted cat. Get what you pay for.

nikitopo · 03-03-2018, 09:12 AM

Who said I am comparing with my car? I just don't like someone to say that you can get a +40-50 hp gain just with a header and a tune. It is unrealistic. If you go with E85, then yes you are much closer. However, if you want to do it right then you the need a flex fuel kit and be lucky enough to find always a gas station.

Kodename47 · 03-03-2018, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Actually the ptuning car runs an arrows 4.3FD and I have a 4.1 FD.

So you put the older FD in the newer car?

vf34 · 03-03-2018, 02:05 PM

I came across this chap on YouTube - Justin's Pit Lane "Does the ACE A350 Header Live Up To The Hype!?!"

[ame="http://youtu.be/ggQspB1P7a4"]http://youtu.be/ggQspB1P7a4[/ame]

He compared his Revworks header Vs the ACE A350 with dyno results.

Oop's Justin himself has already posted this http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125559

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,530 Thanks: 8,920 Thanked 14,177 Times in 6,835 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	I can confirm that my 2017 with a ceramic coated Ace header and stock FP pulls on a lighter car (gutted 2013) that's catless with a Ptuning header.

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Lantanafrs2 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Drives: 2013 frs red Location: South Florida Posts: 3,517 Thanks: 2,520 Thanked 3,088 Times in 1,654 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	The ace obviously works and the results will not be matched with tune, intake and tb. Oh and gutted cat. Get what you pay for.

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nikitopo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: '15 BRZ RA Location: Greece Posts: 3,787 Thanks: 2,416 Thanked 1,944 Times in 1,261 Posts Mentioned: 29 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Who said I am comparing with my car? I just don't like someone to say that you can get a +40-50 hp gain just with a header and a tune. It is unrealistic. If you go with E85, then yes you are much closer. However, if you want to do it right then you the need a flex fuel kit and be lucky enough to find always a gas station.

03-03-2018, 02:05 PM	#42
vf34 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Drives: FT86 Location: Perth. Australia. Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I came across this chap on YouTube - Justin's Pit Lane "Does the ACE A350 Header Live Up To The Hype!?!" [ame="http://youtu.be/ggQspB1P7a4"]http://youtu.be/ggQspB1P7a4[/ame] He compared his Revworks header Vs the ACE A350 with dyno results. Oop's Justin himself has already posted this http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125559

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