Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[tennisfreak]

I was going to start power modding my Vette next year.

BUT if FT-1 rumors pan out to be something real scrap the Vette mods as it will be waiting to trade in on a new Supra!!!

[vividracing]

I REALLY hope this car pans out and is obtainable for the average enthusiast.

-Seth

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

I also feel like theres a thread on this already as well.

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

in before thread lock lol! There is another thread I am sure

yup, idk how you can miss a 52 page thread.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53322

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by vividracing

I REALLY hope this car pans out and is obtainable for the average enthusiast.

-Seth

Lets just hope that Toyota does not use the NSX as their target otherwise we can kiss attainability goodbye for the average joe.

[Bristecom]

Coming out next year and all they have to show is the same concept car from less than a year ago? Not happening... Cars take time to make. Especially sports cars.

[Dave-ROR]

Two replies I bet! I WILL WIN!

Oh and: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53322

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by STZ

There's also http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/toyota-new-supra-coming-soon-20151029-gklq3j.html that came out today.

It seems that the Supra will be a Hybrid of some sort if that article is correct.

Nothing against Hybrids, but I personally won't drive a Hybrid until it's the only thing available.

Le Mans cars too slow for you? Or is the added lag free torque, speed, traction and grip what kills it?

[STZ]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Le Mans cars too slow for you? Or is the added lag free torque, speed, traction and grip what kills it?

Extra components mean more things that can possibly break.

Extra components mean more weight.

Extra components mean higher costs to buy the vehicle.

Electric energy means another resource I have to worry about recharging and maintain.

The Dodge Viper ACR beat the Porsche 918's lap records this week, without using hybrid tech and with a supposedly less talented driver, so obviously having hybrid technology is not in every way superior as your wording seems to imply.

I don't like the electric whine that the system makes over a gasoline engine.


But yeah sure. I guess those are all invalid reasons for things to want in a road car since I drive the Le Mans. Thanks for the snark and condescension though. Pretty sure last time you tried to talk to me it was the same unpleasant conversation tone on your part.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by STZ

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Yeah, because saying a hybrid is "the last thing you'd ever drive" isn't snarky or condescending at all (which your wording seems to imply). Try not to be so sensitive while playing the keyboard 'tone' psychic, geez. L2 embrace quips and sarcasm.

Maybe if you had elaborated a little bit more (as you did in your subsequent post), it would have been easier to discern your comment from the typical hybrid h8tr that thinks hybrids can't be fast or sports cars. Perhaps you've seen the type before?

Unless the Supra is going to be under 3,000lbs, which I seriously doubt, the difference between 3,200lbs and 3,500lbs isn't a deal breaker. Just ask the C7 Corvette. That said, I agree that lighter is better, but is that what the Supra will be about? Lightness? That would be a first.

Apart from the recharging bit (hybrids don't necessarily require plug-ins fyi), the rest are certainly valid concerns for daily driving. Except you actually save costs on rotors and pads due to regenerative braking which increases service life. Plus extended range and less time at the pump between fill ups is actually nice for a GT class vehicle if you actually care about daily driving.

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by STZ

The Dodge Viper ACR beat the Porsche 918's lap records this week, without using hybrid tech and with a supposedly less talented driver, so obviously having hybrid technology is not in every way superior as your wording seems to imply.

I see where you're going with this...

And it's silly to make the ACR/918 comparison. The ACR is better compared to a Radical or Noble or Mosler. People, on this forum especially, play naive and say a car is only as good as one metric: time. It's one dimensional and ignorant. Vehicles can be more than utilitarian transportation or (and?!) racing vessels. This business of high end sports cars has deep pocketed buyers with a variety of tastes. The ACR is not in the same brand-impact net-plus discussion as the 918. The tech is what sells it, it's also pretty damn cool in a road-car!

That being said that ACR is pretty damn sweet! I told my wife there's a short list of cars I'd trade up my track S2k for and the ACR (any gen) is one of 'em! After I get a bigger garage and buy a sporty hybrid, of course

Back to topic: the Supra evolved to a car uninhibited by weight or straightforwardness, it last was a GT car. Well fed, comfortable cruiser with moderate complexity. Show me the GT-spec racing Supra and I'll show you a Nascar Camry . I'd be curious to see the numbers because I suspect today's typical high(er) end car buyer wants 'green' more than king-speed. Come on, let's think rational, big picture here - not just lap times and couch racing.

Efforts like the FT-1, NSX, CR-Z, i8, Roadster, P1, 918, LaFerrari are positive and help driving enthusiasts. I don't get the resistance. We know the automotive landscape is changing to hybrid/ev/alt - that's a given. It will take decade(s) to work out an affordable, enthusiast enjoyed hybrid getting 75 mpg+ with minimal enviro offset - but it will happen and the sooner development gets under way in a competitive atmosphere the better!

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Lets just hope that Toyota does not use the NSX as their target otherwise we can kiss attainability goodbye for the average joe.

I doubt it'll be the NSX - that car was about twice the Supra's price tag when new, then again it was a different class car, too. Now it might be gunning for the same techno-cool halo hot-spot.

I think with 'modest' tech it'll be competing with the NSX-lite, if Honda brings it to production. ~$65k which keeps it inline with historic Supra pricing and puts it in the competitive high-end-sports-coupe-GT spot: Cayman, Corvette (similar msrp in 1998), NSX-lite, F-Type, RS5, M4 (similar msrp in 1998), ATS-V, E550 (similar msrp in 1998 for CLK), etc. i.e. the lease specials.

With intense tech it ought to push closer to $115k if it wants to be taken "seriously."

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I want to like both of these, I really do, but I just can't from a pure looks prospective. I wouldn't throw the FT-1 away if someone gave me one, but could not spend my own money on it. Hopefully the production version will be dialed back a bit.

As for the S-FR, no thank you.

[STZ]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I want to like both of these, I really do, but I just can't from a pure looks prospective. I wouldn't throw the FT-1 away if someone gave me one, but could not spend my own money on it. Hopefully the production version will be dialed back a bit.

As for the S-FR, no thank you.

There's no way it looks like that for production. I wouldn't worry about it.

If anything I think the production version will look somewhat similar to one of the concepts for the twins.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by STZ

If anything I think the production version will look somewhat similar to one of the concepts for the twins.

Fingers crossed. Admittedly, I did like the FT-86concepts better than the final production model so it would be nice to see a lot of that brought forward.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by STZ

There's no way it looks like that for production. I wouldn't worry about it.

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/the-...car.201/page-2

People said the same thing about the LF-LC.