Nameless Performance Equal Length Stepped Header

[wparsons]

I'll try to work with that FT86 one, but the perspective is going to make it a huge PITA.

[Shneegle]

Originally Posted by Mars2

Wondering if it's only me that find out that it look like FT 86 Speedfactory UEL is superior after ploting both on same file. specialy considering it has a 166 whp base line vs 170 whp for the nameless.
Look to me that their is only in the range of 4200rpm to 6200 rpm where the nameless make a couple more whp.
In the deep the Nameless just get killed by the other uel one at top end also.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1644

All tuners are not created equal so its hard to say that this is true from the graphs. For mine I'm looking at a different tuner that should net me more gains.

Originally Posted by Mars2

Ounce again:
two tuned from nameless:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=4279
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=4267

one tuned from FT86
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1644

Rather hard to compare the graphs that you linked as they are pictures of the graphs.

[Mars2]

Not that hard you take gain value at each 500 rpm and put in excell sheet.
Then you can get get a rough idea. let's say with a tolerence of 2 whp

[SCharged]

It says a lot about the quality of the ft86SF part that we're even having the discussion.. I think the nameless part is also good, but doesn't quite live up to the hype it had built up.. But then again, people don't have reasonable expectations with this car. It's actually funny how people got carried away without nameless fuelling the fire much before release..

I had to make a choice recently and ended up going the SF way, mostly because I was willing to sacrifice 2-3 hp up top to keep the cat, flatten the tq curve, get the rumble, and save a couple hundred.

[verts]

Finally popped the CEL last night, OFT arrived though so will be fixing that shortly when I have some time.

Another local guy here (not sure if he's on here or not) with the intercooled innovate supercharger is throwing his nameless header on right away, will try to get some kind of results from him if I see him in the next couple weeks.

[DatApex]

Originally Posted by SCharged

It says a lot about the quality of the ft86SF part that we're even having the discussion.. I think the nameless part is also good, but doesn't quite live up to the hype it had built up.. But then again, people don't have reasonable expectations with this car. It's actually funny how people got carried away without nameless fuelling the fire much before release..

I had to make a choice recently and ended up going the SF way, mostly because I was willing to sacrifice 2-3 hp up top to keep the cat, flatten the tq curve, get the rumble, and save a couple hundred.

It doesn't, really. It just says a lot about brand loyalty.

There isn't enough data from either to come to any conclusions. Just circumstantial evidence from multiple tuners and multiple car setups.

Until both headers are put on the same car, dynoed the same day, and tuned by the same experienced tuner these discussions are a waste of time, IMO.

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[SCharged]

Originally Posted by DatApex

It doesn't, really. It just says a lot about brand loyalty.

There isn't enough data from either to come to any conclusions. Just circumstantial evidence from multiple tuners and multiple car setups.

Until both headers are put on the same car, dynoed the same day, and tuned by the same experienced tuner these discussions are a waste of time, IMO.

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Well it's not like anyone is comparing the nameless to a borla... What I meant is that if they're close enough for the discussion to be hapenning, I think it is rather a win for FT86SF, as they were able to put a product out quicker, at a lower price point, and that doesn't require a tune (and which has the subjective ''benefit'' of a sought after soundtrack).

But I agree that a rigurous assessment of both side by side would be needed to confirm this. I'm managing my own expectations for the FT86SF one that I have on order, since I find their own dyno chart hard to believe.. 15hp peak w/o tune with no other bolt ons and a torque dip that is completely gone, not just intact but moved lower in the rev range.

[DatApex]

Originally Posted by SCharged

Well it's not like anyone is comparing the nameless to a borla... What I meant is that if they're close enough for the discussion to be hapenning, I think it is rather a win for FT86SF, as they were able to put a product out quicker, at a lower price point, and that doesn't require a tune (and which has the subjective ''benefit'' of a sought after soundtrack).

But I agree that a rigurous assessment of both side by side would be needed to confirm this. I'm managing my own expectations for the FT86SF one that I have on order, since I find their own dyno chart hard to believe.. 15hp peak w/o tune with no other bolt ons and a torque dip that is completely gone, not just intact but moved lower in the rev range.

I find the few dynos posted regarding that specific header slightly suspect as well. I wouldn't really call it a win, though. A sketchy dyno chart is hardly proof.

Personally, I tend to trust Nameless as a company more than FT86SF. The few interactions I've had with their staff always leave a VERY bitter taste in my mouth. Nameless, while maybe not the most present on the forums, has ALWAYS answered my calls and emails very quickly and thoroughly. So, I'm more than willing to admit I'm a tad biased against FT86SF for the way they treat their customers.

But anyway, on topic, my coated header should be shipping out sometime next week. I'll be trying to get 4 dynos:

1. Baseline, no tune (full original Nameless 2.5" headerback with trackpipe as only power mods)
2. Same setup as baseline, with a tune (won't spend TOO much time on this, but I'm curious the untuned/tuned differences on the same car)
3. Header installed, no tune
4. Header installed, with tune

[John@Nameless]

I just wanted to pop in here really quick with a few points on our header, I noticed a couple critics basing their arguments on tunes from other shops.

During the development of this header, we spent literally over a week on the dyno (24 hours x 5 days) over the course of testing finding the right combination of both physical design and tuning parameters. If you take your car to a tuner who has no experience with our header and they finish a tune for it in 30-60 minutes, you haven't got the most out of it. Every tuner we have worked with has told us the parameters required to make the most power are well outside what they normally tune to.

We have a few tuners around the country we have worked with on the header, get in touch with us if you want more info on that.

We also offer an off the shelf tune for it in case you all didn't know.

As always, if you have a question or opinion you want to share with us, call us at 360.263.5001 or email us at sales@namelessperformance.com and we will be more than happy to chat for a while.

Thank you,
John @ Nameless Performance Inc.

[Mars2]

may be you could give a list of those tuner here

[Calum]

Originally Posted by John@Nameless

I just wanted to pop in here really quick with a few points on our header, I noticed a couple critics basing their arguments on tunes from other shops.

During the development of this header, we spent literally over a week on the dyno (24 hours x 5 days) over the course of testing finding the right combination of both physical design and tuning parameters. If you take your car to a tuner who has no experience with our header and they finish a tune for it in 30-60 minutes, you haven't got the most out of it. Every tuner we have worked with has told us the parameters required to make the most power are well outside what they normally tune to.

We have a few tuners around the country we have worked with on the header, get in touch with us if you want more info on that.

We also offer an off the shelf tune for it in case you all didn't know.

As always, if you have a question or opinion you want to share with us, call us at 360.263.5001 or email us at sales@namelessperformance.com and we will be more than happy to chat for a while.

Thank you,
John @ Nameless Performance Inc.

Awesome, that means you can finally post some before and after numbers!

[Craig]

Nameless has become less and less interactive on this forum because of the way everyone jumps down their throat. It's like everyone expected to see a 50whp/1000wtq increase and are raged that its not here.

Keep your expectations realistic, Nameless makes amazing products... and yes they cost more than most of the alternatives. You get what you pay for though, they spent a year on this header and its putting up arguably the best numbers on the field. Hop off their ****s and let them get back to welding.

[SirBrass]

Not to mention that they're busy, and if you want solid communication, then call them.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[Shneegle]

Originally Posted by DatApex

But anyway, on topic, my coated header should be shipping out sometime next week. I'll be trying to get 4 dynos:

1. Baseline, no tune (full original Nameless 2.5" headerback with trackpipe as only power mods)
2. Same setup as baseline, with a tune (won't spend TOO much time on this, but I'm curious the untuned/tuned differences on the same car)
3. Header installed, no tune
4. Header installed, with tune

I'll be interested with the results from this as well. See if it lines up with mine. It will be interesting to see what differences you get with 2.5" vs the 3" exhaust.