Cosworth Power Packs pricing

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Or this kit
http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/250-...mode-1193.html
And that's everything u need.

I know, shit wish they had this when I started modding. Would have dont this first thing and held off on everything else.

[jmsaxon69]

First 1.3 video, sounds amazing...

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K98WBXXvg1U"]Cosworth Stage 1.3 - Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ Exhaust - YouTube[/ame]

[jmsaxon69]

Header:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yVl7bphigs"]Cosworth Stage 1.3 Power Package - Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ (Install/Review) - YouTube[/ame]

[jmsaxon69]

Down/Mid Pipe:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1alP5V59gmc"]Cosworth Stage 1.2 Power Package - Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ (Install/Review) - YouTube[/ame]

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by Tainen

Still different. Look at the catbacks themselves. It's important, because it allows larger mufflers and less piping, it looks far quietter. The one you linked to has the stock location connection from the mid-pipe to the axleback, the one in the cosworth pictures does not.


But yeah I didn't know they sold the mid pipe now. Thanks for pointing that out.

Just ignore those guys. They keep pointing crap out and they cant even realize and see that its a different design. Anyone can see the cosworth design will breathe better just by comparing the one nameless offers to this one.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by -Tom-

It's probably worth noting that the badge you get isn't just a sticker, it's made by a local jewellers. Wow indeed right?

From the presentation they made at their HQ, my analysis is that they allocated way too much development time for the exhaust system and mapping, and with that, too much money spent. Why couldn't they just realise that everyone else uses a 2.5" exhaust for an N/A application for a reason? Why did they have to find out for themselves.

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Cosworth is just trying to make money with this kit. I suspect that even the header is not their own. They just sell parts from different manufacturers under their own brand. Their motto is just that they tested them and these parts will work well together. So you have more safety with their solution. Overall, they didn't convince people. A month ago I heard they made the first installation in UK. Only one installation after so many months? Now they are trying to promote it a bit more.

you guys really dont think things through or read everything do you? Why would they make a 2.5 inch CBE when this is just STAGE 1 and they plan to release a Stage 2 and 3 in the future you really think they would release a 2.5 inch CBE when they plan to go FI.

And to the 2nd guy who cant read. You do realize that the header is from Nameless right? All of these parts are rebranded Nameless parts. It would only be worth getting the Stage 1.1 and then buying the Headers and Front/Overpipe from Nameless, as all of there new front/over pipes are going to be the design that Cosworth offers instead of their old one.

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Well, they provide some gains like all the others. This is not what I would expect from this brand. They have a great history, but this product is not representative of them. I'm pretty sure that these dynos are immediately after the re-flash and not after hard usage. I'm curious to see what the real gains will be after using the car hard. Just wondering where the IAM value would be then.

Their was a dyno already done in this thread 2 actually I think.

Originally Posted by D_Thissen

True, but you could say that about any build. Heck even stock, these cars could use additional cooling lol.. But for around the $5000-5500CAD price range, you could have these.


$4245 CAD http://clubstore.brzworld.ca/product...-air-to-air-ic
$5245 CAD http://www.tougetuning.com/store/inn...1179_1242_1311


Instead of this
$5250 USD ($5890 CAD) http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Cosw...-Power-Package

Not trying to be a smart ass, just playing devils advocate

You do realize like what the other poster said that the price for the turbo doesnt include everything else you need like gauges and labor. Dont forget that when you go FI that it is a lot more maintenance too than what you would have to deal with when your going NA.

[jmsaxon69]

At this point (brand new 2015 BRZ) I want as much NA power as I can get. What do some of the critics of this package recommend? I have thought of going all HKS or Nameless or this kit, I know it's made by Nameless, but there is no exact product that you can get from Nameless. What Dyno'd results can you point me to that is a better at a substantially lower price ?

Cosworth claims 40 horsepower gains at the 1.3 kit, I know they are not talking WHP. so we have one Dyno at 26 WHP. What can you realistically expect engine back NA?

[Boofneenee]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Except that forced induction never costs just 5K...don't forget installation, gauges, additional cooling, clutch, and the problems that may arise when adding forced induction to a factory n/a car....

for 1k you can get the OFH and OFT. compare that dyno to this one and tell me if the extra 4k is worth the difference. Remember, 40 hp gain is at the crank not the wheels. I pity the fool who pays the money for a basic exhaust and tune setup.
Sincerely
Mr T

[pantdino]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Let me rephrase:

Everyone wants to complain about Cosworth pricing. See above posts.

Same thing like paying premium for Ohlins or JRZ or Penske when you can get 99% of the performance for cheaper (see: KW, RCE, others).

What's the issue about Cosworth and their pricing? They are a great brand, and have done more to push automotive performance than all of the $5k turbo kit makers combined.

Some people want to continue this. Others just say it's overpriced and move on. These are the two types of people of people in this thread.

-alex

I don't think the 1.1 is outrageously priced, considering that a cat-back is about a grand.


But the 1.2 and 1.3 are too much more for another 5hp each.

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by jmsaxon69

First 1.3 video, sounds amazing...

Sorry but for me that is waaaaaaaaaaaaay to loud and screams "because racecar!!!!!!!!!!" especially knowing that there is no real speed/power to back it up.

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by FR-Sizzle

You do realize like what the other poster said that the price for the turbo doesnt include everything else you need like gauges and labor. Dont forget that when you go FI that it is a lot more maintenance too than what you would have to deal with when your going NA.

You do realize that the $5250 Cosworth package does not include install/labor.
So just like a FI kit, unless you want to do everything yourself its going to cost more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[sato]

Originally Posted by s2d4

·*********Stage 1.1 : $2,799
§**Cosworth 220hp engine calibration files and programming kit - $1000
§**Cosworth Low-temperature thermostat - $100
§**Cosworth High flow air filter - 70$
§**Cosworth cat-back exhaust - Midpipe +Axelback - $1100
§**Cosworth enamel car badge
§**Cosworth plaque uniquely numbered ‘Kit #001’ etc. Signed by Cosworth Technical Director


·*********Stage 1.2 +$900
§**Cosworth 225hp engine calibration files and programming kit +$300
§**Cosworth combined overpipe and front pipe exhaust $500


·*********Stage 1.3 +$1551
§**Cosworth 230hp engine calibration files and programming kit +$300
§**Cosworth tubular exhaust manifold $1200
with thermal ceramic coating (inside an out with +2200 not the cheap stuff) $300

The prices seems in line with what nameless has been offering?

Correct me if I'm wrong... if you build a package with all the components of a Stage 1.3 from the beginning, which do they charge you $1000 for S1.1 calibration, + $300 for S1.2 calibration and finally $300 for S1.3 calibration = $1600 for engine calibration when you'd normally perform once (again, if buying 1.3 from the start)?

[Dipstik-sportech]

Originally Posted by FR-Sizzle

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You do realize like what the other poster said that the price for the turbo doesnt include everything else you need like gauges and labor. Dont forget that when you go FI that it is a lot more maintenance too than what you would have to deal with when your going NA.

Please explain this added maintenance that comes with a self contained supercharger? The belt, you have one stock. The oil in the supercharger, well that's good for longer than I believe any other fluid in the car. The cosworth system doesn't include labour either BTW and chances are someone spending that much on those parts will not install it themselves. Reliability on low boost has been proven to be just like stock. The only issues that have arisen from these engines so far is people pushing them past 8000rpm killing bearings and rockers, which on most n/a engines you have to do to make power.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by sato

Correct me if I'm wrong... if you build a package with all the components of a Stage 1.3 from the beginning, which do they charge you $1000 for S1.1 calibration, + $300 for S1.2 calibration and finally $300 for S1.3 calibration = $1600 for engine calibration when you'd normally perform once (again, if buying 1.3 from the start)?

No idea bro, ask a vendor would be your best bet.