Revisting the phantom electric supercharger

[CY86]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Check Out Torqamp supercharger. about 3500$ shipped to the states, should provide about 6psi slowly dropping to about 3psi at redline. a little better then the phantom. but yes it is still overpriced for what it does imo. either needs another 2-3psi or 800$ off the price tag to become "mainstream"

It's definitely pricey. But it is a complete system including the batteries. I think it still needs seperate tuning program. They are making it in the Netherlands so I am assuming high costs of manufacturing.

[sam69]

They certianly do work and looks like Ferrari might take it to the next level with this ... https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/fer...-of-the-future

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by CY86

It's definitely pricey. But it is a complete system including the batteries. I think it still needs seperate tuning program. They are making it in the Netherlands so I am assuming high costs of manufacturing.

Yes it’s a nice complete clean looking package. But for the price I’d expect 7-8psi tapering to maybe 4-5psi redline. And yes you’ll need to add in some custom tuning. For 500$ more you can just JRSC. Maybe they’ll work on making a system with a bigger battery and faster discharge rate or something.

[CY86]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Yes it’s a nice complete clean looking package. But for the price I’d expect 7-8psi tapering to maybe 4-5psi redline. And yes you’ll need to add in some custom tuning. For 500$ more you can just JRSC. Maybe they’ll work on making a system with a bigger battery and faster discharge rate or something.

Like I said, I really believe we are gonna see some cool developments with this technology, not just a bit more efficiency or cost effectiveness. The great thing I like about the e charger compared to other fi systems is that it doesn't affect gas mileage. In fact some have said that it improves it do to the efficiency.
Also, I think that to get those numbers will have to do with better efficiency in the system rather than more powerful motors. Cooler charges, better materials other than metal, or just figuring out ways to get a cooler charge. All really cool stuff!

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

A typical turbo compressor style electric charger is feasible, my comments were aimed at the Tesla design.

Yep, and my comments weren't aimed at you at all

I think the Tesla design works better on more dense fluids with less pressure differential between input and output.

[riboyster]

Why would you get something that loses boost over time? Wouldn't you want to stack to boost on the max hp range of the motor?
Coming from a realistic angle on this, having a 10psi boosted frs, I can reliably tell you guys that you're just gonna end up chasing the boost. I don't mean to sound critical, but you're realistically just going to end up being unsatisfied and buying a real kit anyway.
I'm just trying to save you all some money.

[WNDSRFR]

I've had the Phantom ESC for over 4 years now and am totally satisfied with it. I don't really need any more boost for a DD. I gotta tell ya, it's a Major improvement over stock. Instead of a torque dip, you get a torque boost.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth

I'd say if the Tesla turbine could be made to work you'd see it being used

If that was everyone's mentality we would never see any new inventions.

[gtengr]

At the horsepower input level required for an e-charger, it's probably more efficient to use a KERS to recharge it, at which point it would be more efficient to apply power back through that system instead of applying it to a FI component of a less efficient engine. I think a more useful application is to incorporate the electrics into a turbo so that it activates under certain conditions to spool the turbo to a preset RPM.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by riboyster

Why would you get something that loses boost over time? Wouldn't you want to stack to boost on the max hp range of the motor?
Coming from a realistic angle on this, having a 10psi boosted frs, I can reliably tell you guys that you're just gonna end up chasing the boost. I don't mean to sound critical, but you're realistically just going to end up being unsatisfied and buying a real kit anyway.
I'm just trying to save you all some money.

less cost? ease of install? less engine strain? no parasitic loss so lower boost goes a longer ways. being able to control when/if boost is being applied to help with gas mileage.

Yes, the current options available are intriguing but like i said either need a slightly lower price point or slightly greater boost potential, at the moment a traditional turbo/supercharger does seem to be a better option.

But i think this thread was started to discuss the potential beneficial applications like using in conjunction with turbos to eliminate turbo lag, or what the systems could potentially be in 5-10 years with newer technologies.

[CY86]

Originally Posted by sam69

They certianly do work and looks like Ferrari might take it to the next level with this ... https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/fer...-of-the-future

it seems like my idea for driving an alternator from the exhaust manifold isn't so unique !

when i was reading over the older E-charger threads, it occurred to me that this method would totally overcome charging limitations.

[CY86]

Originally Posted by riboyster

Why would you get something that loses boost over time? Wouldn't you want to stack to boost on the max hp range of the motor?
Coming from a realistic angle on this, having a 10psi boosted frs, I can reliably tell you guys that you're just gonna end up chasing the boost. I don't mean to sound critical, but you're realistically just going to end up being unsatisfied and buying a real kit anyway.
I'm just trying to save you all some money.

personally i really don't care about boost at the high end as much as efficiency, handling,control and throttle response. I do a lot of mountain road driving, so to be able to drive through the corners while having fun is my personal goal.
I don't really think the gt86 has much to do with straight line high rpm performance. It's designed to be a great handling car, one of the few in this era. i think that is it's appeal to so many

[CY86]

Originally Posted by Pat

If that was everyone's mentality we would never see any new inventions.

the guys at Cosworth have done tremendous work over thelast few decades. I personally fell in love with the old sierra saphire cozzy!

I think @Matt@Cosworth is not mocking the tesla design as much as not being familiar with it. and he does have a point. other than some zero point energy seekers spreading more disinfo about tesla's designs and concepts, Tesla's tech has never been given a fair shake in our modern time withthe progressions of technologies, and materials.

It's all fascinating stuff... at least, to me.

On a side note @Matt@Cosworth, if the old Cozzy GT86 ever comes up for sale, could you let me know mate? i ran into your old post too late.

[CY86]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Yep, and my comments weren't aimed at you at all

I think the Tesla design works better on more dense fluids with less pressure differential between input and output.

how do you think it would respond if it was used to spin an alternator powered by the exhaust manifold?

i know they are pretty torqueless, but i am curious as to maybe some hybrid design? maybe a better geometric design as well.