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Old 01-10-2016, 09:11 AM   #253
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Ok, I found the thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=35


Front: 13.4 lbs
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Old 01-11-2016, 07:57 PM   #254
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Ohlins USA confirmed that they have been revalved for the lower spring rates. They also said that they will be selling the old MI20 60/60 kit with camber plates alongside the new ones for now.

However the old kit is not available from Ohlins Australia, who have now discontinued the MI20. This will be a problem for ones like myself trying to purchase a kit locally.

As for the reasoning behind this, it has already been discussed earlier, has something to do with Swedish R&D vs JDM specs on the original. Ohlins USA and Australia don't seem to really know whats going on.
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:52 AM   #255
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I talked to Ohlins USA and this was their response, copied directly from my email:

"Sorry about the outdated website. We definitely offer suspension for the BRZ/FRS/GT86 -we actually offer two versions of it! The two kits are functionally the same, it's just that one includes camber plates and top mounts, and has stiffer springs in the kit. The other kit does not include the top mounts and camber plates, but is significantly cheaper. It also has more comfortable spring rates:
The stiffer sprung and camber plates-included kit is the "SUS Mi20" and is in stock, and retails for $3115.
The softer sprung and less expensive kit is the "SUS MP20" and is in stock and retails for $2413.
Take a look at the pictures here: http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/products/sus-mi20/
We are happy to take your order, but there are a bunch of retailers online that can help as well.
Thanks, and please let me know if there is anything else we can do for you.

-Jake"
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Old 01-13-2016, 11:08 AM   #256
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So he is saying between the lines they still have MI20 in stock. But unfortunately it doesn't mean they are still in production. The link he provided you even links to the MP20.

So if you want an MI20, grab one before their stock is depleted.
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Old 01-13-2016, 11:40 AM   #257
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Sounds like Ohlins is looking to offer a competing model to the Bilstein B16 and SACHS coilovers. Although keeping linear rates all around, as opposed to progressive or a mix of linear and progressive from the other two brands.

An interesting departure from their general image, which seems to be for a more track focused crowd. I'll be curious to hear people's reactions to the MP20.
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It doesn appear that the damper themselves are any different (other than different valving/shims). So I make this point. The MI20's already are travel limited with the front having only about 25mm travel before it hits the bump stops. Thats about 150kg force to hit the stops (yes I know not factoring dynamic shock force resistance).

With the preload they recommend on the 40N/mm spring in the MP20 kit, that would give about the same bump travel before hitting the stops. Therefore you are losing the load capability as it would only require 100kg to hit the bumpstops.

Same goes for the rears which I have found, even on 70N/mm springs are travel limited.
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Old 01-13-2016, 12:12 PM   #259
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I think Ohlins USA needs to just fix their stupid website and the rest of the Ohlins divisions around the world need to sell the MI20 kit again. I can't imagine that the MP20 kit rides that much better than the MI20 kit with the spring rates. About the only advantage the MP20 kit has is the reduced NVH from using stock top hats.

After ~1000 miles on my MI20 kit with 70N/mm rear springs my only two complaints are the lack of rear travel and the increased NVH from the solid top hats. Both were somewhat expected, but still worse than I thought.
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The worst thing for me has been high frequency vibrations. They play havok with the poor build quality of my Toyota subaru.

-20 clicks helps the secondary ride but then it doesn ride as well on road undulations.

What we need is penske regressive valving. For $5 please
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Old 01-13-2016, 12:51 PM   #261
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IIRC Ohlins response was not that MP20 rides better, but for it to ride .. "safer". Well, and delete it off purchase list for many potential MI20 customers world-wide
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IIRC Ohlins response was not that MP20 rides better, but for it to ride .. "safer". Well, and delete it off purchase list for many potential MI20 customers world-wide
It'll ride smoother as the damping and springs will be softer. However, not so much when you hit a big bump and it rams into the bumpstops. Its quite jarring on the MI20 kit.

I'll bet that Ohlins went with 40N/mm front springs to help stop the front bottomnig up too much sooner than the rears do.
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The original idea in our cars was to use a stiffer rear spring or at least similar rates in all wheels. A few manufacturers changed this layout and installed softer rear springs. For example HKS had a similar coilover with a 60N/mm front and a 40N/mm rear spring rate. Overall, this layout gives an easier to drive and a more confident car especially on public roads (rear end is much more predictable). Nevertheless, the 40N/mm and 30N/mm rate from Ohlins is too much in this direction. I think they tried to give to our cars a GT like (comfort) feeling which is wrong. Our cars are sports cars and not GT cars. If I wanted a GT car, I would buy a German one.
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The worst thing for me has been high frequency vibrations. They play havok with the poor build quality of my Toyota subaru.

-20 clicks helps the secondary ride but then it doesn ride as well on road undulations.

What we need is penske regressive valving. For $5 please
Same here, the top hats really exaggerate the subtle braking ripples that we get in our pavement here caused by heavy trucks.

I had to do some rattle killing this past weekend, the cable for the gas door was making new noises.
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It feels like everything behind the dash is rattling and in the boot(trunk).

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Same here, the top hats really exaggerate the subtle braking ripples that we get in our pavement here caused by heavy trucks.

I had to do some rattle killing this past weekend, the cable for the gas door was making new noises.
Man, I was considering Ohlins because of the smooth ride on the street, and decent track performance, but if they make the car squeak and rattle like never before because of their top hats, that takes away from the smooth ride factor a lot...
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