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Old 09-14-2018, 01:41 PM   #48315
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While I can appreciate the sentiment of "a hit dog will holler," and not liking picking up someone else's slack, no. Passive-aggressive notes to individuals isn't how that should have been handled. While there appears to be a consensus that the person is "sick" as opposed to actual sick, they could have something serious going on that isn't visibly apparent. Think early cancer diagnosis. If that were the case, then whoever wrote the note just made a huge jackass out of themselves involving someone who is already going through a lot.

If there is an attendance problem, then there is a decent chance HR is already looking into it. If someone else's poor attendance is causing you extra work, go through the proper channels to complain. Leaving a note has the potential of being a huge **** move regarding a situation you don't fully understand. In general, try not to be a ****, and don't make assumptions about such things.
I think we're starting to do a lot of spectulating and making it out to be a bigger deal than it really is.
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I am in the PTO camp personally. Just give people X amount of days. Who cares if they have the flu or just need a mental health day or they just feel like they need to play video games on a Tue.

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that's how my company does it. I'm ok with it I just wish we got more days for it. if I get sick bad enough after a vacation I could miss out on some money. on the flip side if I got sick before a vacation I booked and couldn't get my money back I'd get screwed out of a lot of cash.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:46 PM   #48316
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that's how my company does it. I'm ok with it I just wish we got more days for it. if I get sick bad enough after a vacation I could miss out on some money. on the flip side if I got sick before a vacation I booked and couldn't get my money back I'd get screwed out of a lot of cash.

That's always the risk. My company does have what they call "Extended Illness Benefits" (EIB) that kick in automatically if you have been out sick for more than 32 hours. That is a separate "bucket" that gets added to each year to a max number of hours. You use PTO for the first 32, then EIB kicks in, but it requires a confirmation note from a medical professional.
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We technically have sick days and vacation days (which require approval). But as a pilot all you have to do is say the f-word (fatigued) and they can't really say anything because you aren't fit to fly even tired. I hardly ever use my sick days though they are almost always maxed out. If the weather is shitty and it's a holiday and someone calls out everybody wants to kill them, even if they are legit sick. Of course this makes some guys come in sick when they should have called out and then the next week EVERYONE calls out sick because we all fly the same airplanes and only like 2 guys are anal enough to wipe down everything with antiseptic wipes.

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I think we're starting to do a lot of spectulating and making it out to be a bigger deal than it really is.
That's pretty much my point, just in favor of the person who received the note. Pretty much just don't do it, because there are possibly factors other people don't know about.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:24 PM   #48319
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Didn't say it wasn't a problem, just not relevant to whether or not the note was appropriate. The note was not appropriate. Even in jest it creates a potentially hostile work environment, particularly done anonymously. I had something similar happen once, and the person receiving the note took it as a threat, even not meant that way, got ugly fast. We had to do an entire investigation including security and other such things because it became an issue.
if someone saw that note as a threat I'd be afraid they'd end up suing over the bathrooms being labeled "Men" and "Women".


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If the recipient went to HR they obviously did not think it was a joke so the humor is lost. It's almost like laughing at a person who gets bullied.
of course they didn't think it was a joke and if I was a slacker that wasn't working like I should I wouldn't take it as a joke either. I just hate the word "bullied" what are we 10 year old kids that can handle life?

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Now, so we are clear, I'm about as far as you can get from "politically correct" or "progressive", whatever the word is today. Still, some things can't be tolerated if you want to maintain some semblance of a good productive work environment. I joke around with my team all the time and we even do some level of pranking, but that is not what this was, it was just mean spirited and passive agressive, at least a face value.
everyone I've talked to there thinks it's a great place to work.

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Just a differing of opinion in the end. I'm guessing you've not had to deal with the aftermath of something like this going "wrong".
most of my work exp in the last 10-is years has been in the restaurant business as an part owner/operator managing mostly 20-something year old girls and my day job as a PM for a large commercial interior contractor so I can't say I've ever had someone get upset over a note regarding their slacking at work.

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That's always the risk. My company does have what they call "Extended Illness Benefits" (EIB) that kick in automatically if you have been out sick for more than 32 hours. That is a separate "bucket" that gets added to each year to a max number of hours. You use PTO for the first 32, then EIB kicks in, but it requires a confirmation note from a medical professional.
I wish we had this. in construction people regularly call out because they drank to much on Tuesday. so they do the single bucket to try and keep people from calling out when it's not really necessary. this isn't really a problem in the office but this industry isn't exactly innovative or "up with the times".

I know a couple of people that work for companies that don't have PTO at all. their policy is get your work done and you can "take off" when ever you want as much as you want.
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I wish we had this. in construction people regularly call out because they drank to much on Tuesday. so they do the single bucket to try and keep people from calling out when it's not really necessary. this isn't really a problem in the office but this industry isn't exactly innovative or "up with the times".

I know a couple of people that work for companies that don't have PTO at all. their policy is get your work done and you can "take off" when ever you want as much as you want.
People not showing up to work is a serious, serious issue in automotive manufacturing. If you need 100 people to run a line you need 100 people not 95 or 96 or even 99. Most parts plants run on just in time these days so there is no warehouse full of parts sitting someplace you can just ship out when you need to. Add Lean (just enough people to do the job) and the problem escalates. With two of my plants we are just 15 minutes away from shutting down one of the largest plants in North America every shift of every day. We don't have extra bodies around in the event that people call in so even 2 or 3 missing means we stand the chance of sending 4,000 other people home for the shift. You can imagine that doesn't go over well. If a day off is planned we can work around it but if somebody doesn't call in or just not show up (how do you "forget" to call in?) we can be royally screwed and have to scramble to find a way to get somebody there fast. Unfortunately people don't know or care so it happens far to often.
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People not showing up to work is a serious, serious issue in automotive manufacturing. If you need 100 people to run a line you need 100 people not 95 or 96 or even 99. Most parts plants run on just in time these days so there is no warehouse full of parts sitting someplace you can just ship out when you need to. Add Lean (just enough people to do the job) and the problem escalates. With two of my plants we are just 15 minutes away from shutting down one of the largest plants in North America every shift of every day. We don't have extra bodies around in the event that people call in so even 2 or 3 missing means we stand the chance of sending 4,000 other people home for the shift. You can imagine that doesn't go over well. If a day off is planned we can work around it but if somebody doesn't call in or just not show up (how do you "forget" to call in?) we can be royally screwed and have to scramble to find a way to get somebody there fast. Unfortunately people don't know or care so it happens far to often.
I know that. I interviewed at a plant that made fuel or maybe brake lines and something else iirc when I was in college. they stressed at every step in the process, "you can never have an unscheduled day off." there's really no way around it. every job depends on another and is dependent on another so if one goes down it gums every thing up. the pay was AWESOME for a college kid. I just couldn't make it work with school.
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People not showing up to work is a serious, serious issue in automotive manufacturing...
Yea, it's definitely discipline/field dependent, and it can differ greatly within a company.

I work in a Hospital system. IT folks calling out isn't a big deal, but on a nursing floor there are minimum staffing levels for patient counts. There it is a problem.

It was the same way in other businesses I've been involved with over the years (airlines, reference labs).
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I wish we had this. in construction people regularly call out because they drank to much on Tuesday.....
My Father owned a roofing company that I worked for from about age 10 to 20 so I can definitely relate. The closest my Father ever came to pulling his gun and shooting an employee was on a 110 degree day in August in NC when an employee had slipped a six pack of beer into the water jug and couldn't get it out at lunch so he cut the water jug in half to get it out.
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I work in a Hospital system. IT folks calling out isn't a big deal, but on a nursing floor there are minimum staffing levels for patient counts. There it is a problem.

Same here at my hospital. I'm in finance. We could all not come in for a day and nothing would happen. On the patient side, different story.
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Today finally painted the basement. Color I’ve chose was Park Bench Green. Kinda like Forrest Green, but few shades lighter.


Still need to install molding, frame inside the window & blinds, but after that, it’s done!
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Today finally painted the basement. Color I’ve chose was Park Bench Green. Kinda like Forrest Green, but few shades lighter.


Still need to install molding, frame inside the window & blinds, but after that, it’s done!
Too cave like. Get a lighter color.
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Too cave like. Get a lighter color.
Haha it’s an entertainment room, so most of the time lights gonna be off, so I wanted to keep the surrounding dark.
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