Toyota S-FR Concept!!

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Even that is two years old.

yes, but look at how long it has taken them make the Zupra.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gymratter

yes, but look at how long it has taken them make the Zupra.

But also look at the amount of "leaked" info and how active the forum was. The whole SFR project just disappeared. There is literally not one word about it anyplace but this forum for the last two years.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But also look at the amount of "leaked" info and how active the forum was. The whole SFR project just disappeared. There is literally not one word about it anyplace but this forum for the last two years.

I'd imagine an SFR has to be something different than just a shorter twin with 2 less seats, which is what it seems like it was.

Don't think the "same but smaller" philosophy works here as they can just try to create the next gen of twins to be more versatile (drop top, rear seat delete, more engine options, etc)

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But also look at the amount of "leaked" info and how active the forum was. The whole SFR project just disappeared. There is literally not one word about it anyplace but this forum for the last two years.

true, i think the only thing we have to go by is the ToyotaUK interview where Tada still talked about the idea of a 3 sports car line up. now whether that is something like the SFR or a MR2 is anyone's guess.

[squall leonhart]

Not much to it, but at least it was an article:

https://jalopnik.com/what-the-hell-h...-fr-1827889142

[gymratter]

@zakira said in this interview Tada brings up a 3rd sports car.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwNqhy6mWag[/ame]

[m.box.design]

Originally Posted by gymratter

@zakira said in this interview Tada brings up a 3rd sports car.

GT86
Supra
GR Super Sports

[R_E_L]

Originally Posted by m.box.design

GT86
Supra
GR Super Sports

I had forgotten all about the GR SS, that very well could be the lineup

[venturaII]

Bumping this up, just because I'm pissed off they just let this well received gem die before it even got out the door...

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by m.box.design

GT86
Supra
GR Super Sports

but thats going to be a limited to 100 units, and not to mention the million dollar price tag.

[squall leonhart]

Originally Posted by venturaII

Bumping this up, just because I'm pissed off they just let this well received gem die before it even got out the door...

Agreed. I'm not big on social media at all...but every once in awhile I just go and reply to all their posts on Twitter to reference moving the SF-R to production.

If they had the SF-R on lots or even on the way right now (with a Toyota drivetrain) I'd be trading in the FR-S on the spot and buying the SF-R.

Why does it have to be too much to ask to get a Toyota designed RWD coupe with a Toyota engine/transmission?

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by squall leonhart

Agreed. I'm not big on social media at all...but every once in awhile I just go and reply to all their posts on Twitter to reference moving the SF-R to production.

If they had the SF-R on lots or even on the way right now (with a Toyota drivetrain) I'd be trading in the FR-S on the spot and buying the SF-R.

Why does it have to be too much to ask to get a Toyota designed RWD coupe with a Toyota engine/transmission?

Because aside from the 2UR V8 Toyota doesn't really have any sporty engines in their lineup.

Of course that could all change once the Dynamic force family rolls out in full (right now the new 4 bangers are the Camry 2.5L 203hp and the Corolla hatch 2.0L 168hp dynamic force motors. I think at this point theres still a few more motors to come to replace more of the non-dynamic force engines) and maybe some more manual transmissions (iThe corolla hatch might have the only new 6 speed manual....everything else seems to use carryover transmissions)

Also the TNGA architecture...not sure if its setup for RWD applications in a small sized car (AFAIK the Crown and the Lexus products are RWD TNGA...but they're all pretty big cars utilizing it right now)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by squall leonhart

Agreed. I'm not big on social media at all...but every once in awhile I just go and reply to all their posts on Twitter to reference moving the SF-R to production.

If they had the SF-R on lots or even on the way right now (with a Toyota drivetrain) I'd be trading in the FR-S on the spot and buying the SF-R.

Why does it have to be too much to ask to get a Toyota designed RWD coupe with a Toyota engine/transmission?

Money, money and money.
Other than the specialty makes (i.e. Porsche) or the long timers (i.e. Corvette) the day of the individual manufacturer sports car is over. Even if the SF-R were to ever be made, which I doubt at this point, it would be in conjunction with somebody else. The costs to develop and build it independently are now just to high. If they made one all on their own and then wanted $80K for it instead of $30K would you still be interested?

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Money, money and money.
Other than the specialty makes (i.e. Porsche) or the long timers (i.e. Corvette) the day of the individual manufacturer sports car is over. Even if the SF-R were to ever be made, which I doubt at this point, it would be in conjunction with somebody else. The costs to develop and build it independently are now just to high. If they made one all on their own and then wanted $80K for it instead of $30K would you still be interested?

Mazda seems like a no-brainer to team up with to supply drivetrain and chassis technology...The 115bhp Skyactive 1.5 is already being shared in the former Scion iA and Toyota Yaris, and a quick warm-up tune could put it in the 130bhp range, which would work nicely with a ~2100 pound curb weight of the S-FR. Miata NC 5 speed could be shared with the Fiat 124. Similarly, between the FT86 and NC/ND Miata platforms, I'm sure an inexpensive and effective chassis/suspension solution could be arranged.

I think Toyota is afraid the S-FR and the 86 are too closely related, in terms of market. They're both small 4 cyl 2+2 coupes, blah blah blah...