Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[Xero-Limit]

Originally Posted by leets4uc3

Dumb Question. I recently bought a car with a bad 210 head unit (ran with no oil...)and installed a new one. 4 days later I broke a rocker and put a hole in the valve cover. I was only running ~7psi and didn't push the car for very long (10-15 minutes 4-6k revs). I'm planning on buying a new FA20 and swapping it in, but I'm scared something bad will happen again and I will be all out of money. I love the car and it only has 30k miles. This seems like a weird failure and was probably do to the shitty past owner. When reading I see people have very reliable cars with this kit as a daily. Do you guys think I have anything to worry about after swapping a new motor? And do you think there could be any more damage further down the drive train due to the failure and previous owner?

Does the motor have other issues? We've seen 1 rocker ejected with seemingly no cause (likely valve float), but we've seen about 5 other motors where the rockers were ejected from a piston-valve contact.

Otherwise if you don't have enough cash for a backup plan, FI is probalby not something you should be pursuing. While these cars are by far the best bang for the buck when you add FI to them, there is always a greater risk of engine failure with boost.

[leets4uc3]

Originally Posted by sam69

I believe the late 13's had the revised rockers .

Yeah my car was 13. And they did change them late 13s. I think it was for the pin walk out. Not for complete failure like mine.

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[leets4uc3]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

Does the motor have other issues? We've seen 1 rocker ejected with seemingly no cause (likely valve float), but we've seen about 5 other motors where the rockers were ejected from a piston-valve contact.

Otherwise if you don't have enough cash for a backup plan, FI is probalby not something you should be pursuing. While these cars are by far the best bang for the buck when you add FI to them, there is always a greater risk of engine failure with boost.

I might want to get a new tune from you then and sell my SC.

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[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by leets4uc3

I might want to get a new tune from you then and sell my SC.

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[camelflage]

folks with intercooler, would you say the extra install and possible pump hassles are worth it for just going from a 75 to 72.5 mm pulley? looks like on 92 pump gas i might get 20 extra hp with the IC..

edits: daily driver, no track, mildly aggressive driving

[riboyster]

Originally Posted by camelflage

folks with intercooler, would you say the extra install and possible pump hassles are worth it for just going from a 75 to 72.5 mm pulley? looks like on 92 pump gas i might get 20 extra hp with the IC..

edits: daily driver, no track, mildly aggressive driving

No. Save yourself a bunch of money and crap.

Running 69mm aggressive tune no IC no probs.
Same driving style, daily ambients in the 90s. Although to be fair I'm not in full boost unless it's under 83.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by riboyster

No. Save yourself a bunch of money and crap.

Running 69mm aggressive tune no IC no probs.
Same driving style, daily ambients in the 90s. Although to be fair I'm not in full boost unless it's under 83.

How are you controlling that? or just by your right foot?

[riboyster]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

How are you controlling that? or just by your right foot?

Right foot and butt dyno!

[ajcarson11]

Just as an update for all -- Running Moto-East flex fuel kit now -- Everything working perfectly on E77. Running stock injectors, with 10% fuel headroom on the 72.5mm pulley at 7300rpm (Mike took a look at my logs to confirm how much headroom was available).

I don't track the car or spend much time at 7300RPM, so i'm going to wager that i'm OK for daily-driving use. I'd be much under 90% fuel/injector duty cycle in normal RPM ranges.

E85 feels great! The entire RPM range (especially under 4k) is much smoother on E85, whether accelerating aggressively or gently. Plenty more power all around.

[stockysnail]

Originally Posted by ajcarson11

Just as an update for all -- Running Moto-East flex fuel kit now -- Everything working perfectly on E77. Running stock injectors, with 10% fuel headroom on the 72.5mm pulley at 7300rpm (Mike took a look at my logs to confirm how much headroom was available).

I don't track the car or spend much time at 7300RPM, so i'm going to wager that i'm OK for daily-driving use. I'd be much under 90% fuel/injector duty cycle in normal RPM ranges.

E85 feels great! The entire RPM range (especially under 4k) is much smoother on E85, whether accelerating aggressively or gently. Plenty more power all around.

Stock fuel pump as well?

[ajcarson11]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

Stock fuel pump as well?

Yes. Stock fuel pump as well.

Not a hickup from anything -- I suspect that the quotes I've seen from others ('E85 burns much cooler than pump gas') are very true. After hard runs I don't have any strange smells coming from the car (was smelling slight burning of fluids/SC/cat or something on 93) and temps are down considerably in comparison to 93.

When the ODBII cable gets in I'll do some runs on both E85 and 93 to see what the temp differences look like for coolant and oil between the two fuels.

[chargedup]

Anyone running a 210 with stock headers/FP and e85 know what they're dynoing at? e85 blew my clutch and didn't think that happened until 200+ftlbs and 300+hp

also getting a rough start as of late, have to flood with gas to get it to turn over, then runs fine. was on limp mode for a while- plugged cat?

[ajcarson11]

Originally Posted by chargedup

Anyone running a 210 with stock headers/FP and e85 know what they're dynoing at? e85 blew my clutch and didn't think that happened until 200+ftlbs and 300+hp

also getting a rough start as of late, have to flood with gas to get it to turn over, then runs fine. was on limp mode for a while- plugged cat?

I would wonder about plugged cat as well... I'm wondering if the 'weird smell' I am experiencing on 93 after hard runs is the cat in the front pipe melting (running catless header). Nothing else seems to be overly hot... I suppose it could also be the supercharger oil burning off or something similar.

I do know of others running the 210 on stock headers though - so I can't imagine it is a huge problem. There have been other boosted folks who have melted the cat in the header through while FI (although that is usually only a problem with high-flow cats).

I'm doing OK on stock clutch thus far (and my clutch has 40k of wear). How many miles have you been running E85 on the 210, and how long did clutch last?

EDIT: Also been wondering if the burning smell could be brakes. I'm obviously on the brakes much harder when going more quickly. That's a question for another thread though...

[chargedup]

Originally Posted by ajcarson11

I would wonder about plugged cat as well... I'm wondering if the 'weird smell' I am experiencing on 93 after hard runs is the cat in the front pipe melting (running catless header). Nothing else seems to be overly hot... I suppose it could also be the supercharger oil burning off or something similar.

I do know of others running the 210 on stock headers though - so I can't imagine it is a huge problem. There have been other boosted folks who have melted the cat in the header through while FI (although that is usually only a problem with high-flow cats).

I'm doing OK on stock clutch thus far (and my clutch has 40k of wear). How many miles have you been running E85 on the 210, and how long did clutch last?

EDIT: Also been wondering if the burning smell could be brakes. I'm obviously on the brakes much harder when going more quickly. That's a question for another thread though...

Clutch started slipping pretty much once i got on e85. Now slipping throughout the RPMs regardless of which tune I'm on.