The 86 on Toyota's Chopping Block ?

[HachiRokuX]

Originally Posted by MJones_RB

So will Subaru keep the BRZ?

We don’t even know if the BRZ/86 are cancelled yet, but I can’t see them keeping it if it does get cancelled..have you seen the sales lately?


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[MrDinkleman]

Originally Posted by HachiRokuX

Edit: I’m just mad, don’t mind me lol. I want a second gen with a larger engine but otherwise I’m just gonna be mad

I'm hoping for a second gen with a Toyota (or better yet, resurrect ties with Yamaha!) powertrain. Porsche did it, first with their 914>914/6 and then the 924>944.

If toyota does that (oh, pleasepleasepleaseplease, PLEASE!!!), I WILL buy one even though I don't need another car!

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by JD001

Toyota has eloped with a sexy German, left poor ole Subaru holding the bastard child...

Maybe so, but at least the bastard child is 100% Japanese

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

There's a reason everyone who owns an old one puts on Valentis. I would, too if I didn't have a '17.

Not including me, and several other owners on here that I see. If you want to keep the theme original, then you cannot put on a aftermarket tail light (easy to swap out, but still wouldn't be 100% original)

[mrg666]

How about JRSC? My car should be 150% original, right? But I have Valenti taillights. Then, my FRS becomes 140% original ... I guess

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

There's a reason everyone who owns an old one puts on Valentis. I would, too if I didn't have a '17.

Everyone? I would burn the car to the ground before I put on Valentis lights.

[Adam_L]

The day you bought your 86 / FRS / BRZ , if you bought it from a Toyota/ Subaru dealer new , that would be considered 100% original ( of course certain maintenance pieces will get swapped out over time, oil filters, tires, brake pads....etc). The only add on's that don't detract but enhance in most peoples eyes are protective add on's.

In other words, if you go to sell your car and have a K&N oil filter on, no potential buyer should sweat you on that change. If you go to sell, and have some kind of FI, that's another story

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Everyone? I would burn the car to the ground before I put on Valentis lights.

Please don't, it is not really worth it.

[Juzzotec]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Everyone? I would burn the car to the ground before I put on Valentis lights.

Missing the point, the gen 1 tail lights are ugly because of the clear casing, altezza style. If they were smoke red like the toms no one would change them out for Valenti’s. The internal design is nice! The new ones lost out on that circular brake light but gained in colour. A mix of both and sequential turn signal would of been awesome.

I hope they keep making these cars, the miatas are still around after all these years. Need this car to stay around and become the learning ground for future drivers. Easily one of the greatest handling cars.

Maybe they should do a gen 3 with a FA25, 2.5L version with say 250hp. This is what I wanna see, they did it with the WRX. They should follow the same process. An extra 50hp would be perfect and squeeze a little more with bolt ons.

FA25 “Make it happen Toyota please”

[bkharmony]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Everyone? I would burn the car to the ground before I put on Valentis lights.

Everyone but you and the other guy.

(You know what I meant.)

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

Everyone but you and the other guy.

(You know what I meant.)

Hyperbole will usually generate negative reactions.

[Jegan_V]

My biggest problem with this article...how did this guy get to his conclusion of a specific number like 0 percent? Did he get confirmation that Toyota was absolutely certain they're cutting those cars to get 0 percent? Mainstream japanese sports cars rarely get changed fast, NC Miata took 10 years, S2000 10 years, RX-8 9 years and the 370Z is still running at 9 years. 86/BRZ is currently at 6-7 years.

This sounds of conjecture to me, so I'm not grounding any conclusions from it.

[ermax]

This article is purely speculation. This was my favorite line, “There are a few other opinions but here is the chopping block”. In other words, “there are other opinions but here is ours”. Journalism is kind of a joke these days. Type up a wall of text with zero facts, give it a catchy title and then let the clicks roll in.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

My biggest problem with this article...how did this guy get to his conclusion of a specific number like 0 percent? Did he get confirmation that Toyota was absolutely certain they're cutting those cars to get 0 percent?

Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) says that one tactic for persuading people to accept your point of view is to just make up a statistic and state it outright as if it's fully supported, even if it isn't. During the presidential primary campaign in 2015, an influential pundit named Nate Silver declared that Donald Trump had a mere 2% chance of winning the Republican nomination. Several news outlets reported Silver's "expert" estimate as fact and touted it as proof that the Trump campaign was just a sideshow that didn't matter.

Adams (who actually teaches corporate seminars on persuasion) recognized it as a bullshit number pulled out of the guy's ass to campaign against Trump's nomination in the hope that people would hear it, accept that Trump had no chance and refuse to take him seriously. So Adams posted on his blog that Trump had a 98% chance of winning. That bogus estimate dovetailed perfectly with Silver's bogus estimate and got a lot of attention, resulting in Adams making the rounds on the television networks persuading viewers Trump had a 98% chance of winning.

Even though the number was bogus, in hindsight Adams was right.

That's all David Phillips at Automotive News is doing. It's a bogus number he just pulled out of his ass to try to persuade you his expert predictions have value.

He has a 50% chance of being correct.