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02-24-2014, 05:17 PM | #29 | |
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They Look pretty independent to me!! I like how Toyota/Subaru placed their suspension: Macs up front and Doubles in the rear. VS. Doubles up front and Macs in the rear. Oh sorry... In Alfa-Speak they're "Enhanced MacPherson struts".
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If price wasn't an option, I'd rather have the Alfa Romeo over my FR-S all day long. I love manual transmissions, but I've used paddle shifters before and would not be upset to lose the manual for 550 less lbs and 100 more ft/lbs of torque.
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I'm talking about the older gens the C4/c5. the C6/c7 most likely do, pretty sure the C4/5 had inverted leaf springs
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Interestingly, from what I can find, the Cayman has MacPherson struts on all 4 corners - no double wishbone to be found anywhere (which is yet more proof that what really matters is how the suspension works together with the chassis, and how it is set up, and you can't just say that one design will always be superior) |
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God damnit, every single time I hear a Porsche flat six I can't help but hate myself a little bit for not buying something that contains one. That fucking sound! Seriously what does Porsche do to make their engines sound so damn good-- even the 912's flat-four sounds so much hornier than ours...
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maybe its in its misuse due to a myopic viewpoint. the problem with all else equal is that things are never equal. the most often use of that argument here is that rwd vs fwd case. people always say "all else equal" when they mean "when you take away all the fwd advantages." fwd can be more compact, it puts more power to the wheels and its lighter. those advantages are never discussed under the guise of "all else being equal." its just a matter of people valuing theoretical ideals over real world applications. i guess thats the internet for you. |
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Richard Hammond tested the 4c in a recent TG episode and it is possibly the few segments I keep watching over and over again. The reason is that my BRZL is also red and their red 4c have so much similarities. I don't know about the twice-as-much cost to buy plus possibly thrice-as-much cost to maintain though.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/r...-4c-2013-11-28 http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/a...n-uk-2013-1-16
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FD RX7's have the Mac in the rear and double wishbone in the front like the alfa, and that's not mid engine obviously.
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With the Cayman, I know at least part of the reason for using the macs in the rear is because the exhaust routing goes exactly where the upper A-arm in a double wishbone would have to go. I don't know much about the details of the RX7 though...
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I'll just leave this here:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwawx4zaMg&feature=c4-overview&list=UU5rBpVgv83gYPZ593XwQUsA"]Alfa 4C v Porsche Cayman S - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube[/ame] Alfa gets handed its hat. Seems like a car someone would only buy if they were infatuated with its looks and simply needed one. Why buy something that's "a bit like an Elise" for that much money when you could just buy an actual Elise instead? |
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