2016 GT86 Toyota Press Release, 86 "style Cb"

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by swarb

I didn't see any details. TLDR.
Maybe it's just a strut bar.

Dunno, wish I could read Japanese. But looks like the bolts have some change. Dunno why there would be a pic on just the bolts if something wasn't different :P

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by swarb

I didn't see any details. TLDR.
Maybe it's just a strut bar.

From the linked article ...

"The 2015 models also already has thicker rear panels for additional rigidity to address some slight tweaking noticed when users actually went ballistic with motorsports events using the stickiest of tires."

"A famous change also is the main front strut bolt which became bigger as well, which was hyped in Japan as adding a more linear feel to the car."

[Teseo]

An uel headers with TRD catback from factory will be great.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

"The 2015 models also already has thicker rear panels for additional rigidity to address some slight tweaking noticed when users actually went ballistic with motorsports events using the stickiest of tires."

More information on this directly by Tada-san: "The rear frame of the bare shell has been doubled in thickness."

I am not sure in which places, but this is an important improvement!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

More information on this directly by Tada-san: "The rear frame of the bare shell has been doubled in thickness."

I am not sure in which places, but this is an important improvement!

Until I see a torsional rigidity test I'm going to call it unnecessary mass.



*To be blatantly obvious I'm joking around and I love it when car companies do stuff like this giving each model year it's own unique features*

[Rookie84]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

On the 2016?

I read in the article when you turn all drivers aids off EVERYTHING is off, true analog pure sports car. I believe it when I see it. But looks promising. But the color for the 86 and FR-S is Azerite Blue which is the same as Lapis Blue. The Toyota Japan website has that color as new with Pure Red.

Eh. Just do the pedal dance already.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Until I see a torsional rigidity test I'm going to call it unnecessary mass.



*To be blatantly obvious I'm joking around and I love it when car companies do stuff like this giving each model year it's own unique features*

Keep in mind that they are also preparing the chassis for the 2017 revision and other things that they're coming. They mentioned that this change addresses some slight issues when you are in competition and you are using the stickiest tires. I would imagine the latter is related more with new compound tires like for example the new Potenza RE-71R and other tires that will follow. Overall, I believe that we'll have a gradual transition to the new model. Of course the weight is an issue that it should be addressed. Let's wait and see. The next 2 years should be really interesting!

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Rookie84

Eh. Just do the pedal dance already.

Well making all the aids turn off it is the pedal dance.

[Moto-P]

In the pursuit and ongoing revisions of the Toyota 86, Scion FR-S, and Subaru BRZ… A recap, and a look into the future towards 2017 too.
20 Apr 2015Off


2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101 Here are some details on what’s been changed on the 2015 models of Toyota 86, in Japan, as reported by XaCAR 86/BRZ Magazine, Volume 7 in Japan. I’ve also chatted with “Mr.T,” the Chief Engineer of Toyota 86 in Japan, and at Subaru, with the performance engineer, “Mr. I,”of Subaru as well in the recent past to share some light on this as well.
The Scion FRS and Toyota 86, as well as Subaru BRZ, which are all built at FHI Gumma plant in Japan, right alongside each other, with Subaru Forester and some other cars, have been in very busy production since 2012. These cars have seen a ton of media light, a huge cult following, and have been embraced by the world’s sports car aftermarket suppliers. Accolades as well as the usual nitpicking by both enthusiasts and press have also been something of a huge party on social media as well.

In 2015, some really tiny enhancements were made such as programming logic of the power steering to accommodate a more dynamic driving scenario when in Sport mode VSC. While this has been mostly to address some complaints for overly aggressive safety over-ride of the Vehicle Stability Control systems, in OFF mode, it will allow the driver to drive it as “pure” as an old analog car as any sports car should, just as before. The 2015 models also already has thicker rear panels for additional rigidity to address some slight tweaking noticed when users actually went ballistic with motorsports events using the stickiest of tires. But this hasn’t been a huge difference as most of the users of this genre modify their cars enough to address stuff like this. A famous change also is the main front strut bolt which became bigger as well, which was hyped in Japan as adding a more linear feel to the car. But this too, is really a small change that matters to only a handful of owners, as we all add camber-correction bolts to get this up to par for serious motorsports as well from aftermarket sources, along with one of the most common modification, that is coil-over suspension systems.

On the interior department, Japanese 2015 models have been graced with a tan/black interior combination which isn’t available in the USA Scion FRS nor any market Subaru BRZ, nor the satin silver interior trim (though we have them on the Limited Edition FRS RS1.0 in the USA in volume of 1500.
The colors haven’t been changed aside from the slight shift of the red to a lighter red, now called “Pure Red” from Lighting Red before, as well as Aslight Blue, changed from Galaxy Blue Silica, making the dark blue even darker for Toyota 86 and Scion FRS, while the BRZ’s WR Blue has shifted to a lighter version called “Lapis Blue Pearl.”

8 Speaker audio system for Japan, since the strong adherence to weight reduction for Japan has limited their models to 4 speaker paper cone system till this next update.
It’s nothing new for the world outside of Japan, as we’ve had 6 speaker high grade poly-carbonate driver systems already in the USA from the start as standard equipment, and furthermore, some of us are already on the much superior OEM+ system available from Scion dealers and directly from OEM Audio… (http://www.oemaudioplus.com/)

Japan finally gets cruise control – something omitted from Japanese models while the rest of the world had them in BRZ, FR-S, and GT86.

Well, now that it is reaching its fourth year in production, the car is preparing for some revamping. We don’t have photos of what it looks like (and I cannot show you if I did…) but here are some very strong hints of details of what the changes will contain for 2018.

A new front face (bumper and auxiliary lighting, as well as a new headlight assembly
The plan also includes definitely, new rear tail-lamp assembly. And yes, nice to know, though I do like the current tail too… And, for lots of folks, it’s already replaced with an aftermarket one as well, right?
A new center console and meter cluster will be part of the 2018 model too, not just colors but also a new shape.
A revised power steering module programming to allow sharper steering input at lower speeds while making it less responsive at high speeds over 200km/h to easy Autobahn speed long cruising. (Wait?! Autobahn Speeds with current engine power? Well I suppose it does reach 200km/h yes, but not too much higher than that… Still it is a nice move forward and interesting that they would consider such limited use condition and still perfect it to that situation as well.4. A revision will be made further, to make a little more adjustments to the EPS and VSC programming, again, mostly to address SPORT mode parameters to accommodate sportier driving. Like I said before, I don’t even use the VSC on a raceway so this isn’t a huge change for anyone seriously competing already.)
With the upgrade also will include couples of beefier lower arms and rods, as well as driveshafts that are tiny bit larger and beefier.So…. I guess you are still asking if there is a turbo or any more power added. They hint that there will be slightly more power, but not in any significantly different way it will deliver it, and changes are more to address things they didn’t achieve in the first editions. I’m expecting a modest increase, but more revisions to cure those tiny bits that needed some attention before.
Subaru USA though is hinting with an aggressively restyled BRZ at New York Auto show as we speak, so who knows… Maybe they’re hiding something much bigger in news?
A some elements have been addressed in the manual transmissions to allow more durability and resulting precision at the shift lever feel as well.


IN conclusion though, here are my thoughts. For the folks who sees these minor revision as points in a local car meet, or just absolutely have to have the “what’s new” to post on Instagram, these changes may well be worth waiting for another year or two. Yes, naturally it will be a nicer car I suppose if the face and tail is something they feel is better looking. I have my concerns on that though with lots of recent updated cars from all makes. Anyway that is that.
For those who just love the FRS/86/BRZ however, I really do feel that the current car is excellent, and for those who love to drive with any spirited energy, or at the absolute edge of adhesion on a closed raceway, I would instead recommend that you find a good used one for half the price of upcoming 2018, and just go crazy with a well planned hop-up menu. While the ‘minor-change’ as Japanese like to call these mid-cycle facelifts, do improve on some key items to help sell more and refresh the car on an ongoing basis, this car is just too good to spend couple of years less of your lifetime and miss out on the fun. Most of the updates in a typical minor-change can usually be fitted to an older model of the same generation too. So we can worry about this later… Much, later… when the 1.5 gen 2017 will also be a bargain racecar in perhaps 2022? That’s the way I look at it, and that latter method was how, an old AE86 was enjoyed. Aging well and being true to the roots, the more it aged.

So just go find one and get with the program really. I assure you, after 10 minutes, you’ll not care about the small things, as you work your gear lever and smile on your way somewhere not far enough.

By the way, if you want to know more about what is going on with Toyota 86, subscribe to this series of books. XaCar 86/BRZ Magazine Volume 7.

2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-2 2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-3 2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-4 2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-5

For the picture links, please go to the source page at the top of www.club4ag.com

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

In the pursuit and ongoing revisions of the Toyota 86, Scion FR-S, and Subaru BRZ… A recap, and a look into the future towards 2017 too.
20 Apr 2015Off


2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101 Here are some details on what’s been changed on the 2015 models of Toyota 86, in Japan, as reported by XaCAR 86/BRZ Magazine, Volume 7 in Japan. I’ve also chatted with “Mr.T,” the Chief Engineer of Toyota 86 in Japan, and at Subaru, with the performance engineer, “Mr. I,”of Subaru as well in the recent past to share some light on this as well.
The Scion FRS and Toyota 86, as well as Subaru BRZ, which are all built at FHI Gumma plant in Japan, right alongside each other, with Subaru Forester and some other cars, have been in very busy production since 2012. These cars have seen a ton of media light, a huge cult following, and have been embraced by the world’s sports car aftermarket suppliers. Accolades as well as the usual nitpicking by both enthusiasts and press have also been something of a huge party on social media as well.

In 2015, some really tiny enhancements were made such as programming logic of the power steering to accommodate a more dynamic driving scenario when in Sport mode VSC. While this has been mostly to address some complaints for overly aggressive safety over-ride of the Vehicle Stability Control systems, in OFF mode, it will allow the driver to drive it as “pure” as an old analog car as any sports car should, just as before. The 2015 models also already has thicker rear panels for additional rigidity to address some slight tweaking noticed when users actually went ballistic with motorsports events using the stickiest of tires. But this hasn’t been a huge difference as most of the users of this genre modify their cars enough to address stuff like this. A famous change also is the main front strut bolt which became bigger as well, which was hyped in Japan as adding a more linear feel to the car. But this too, is really a small change that matters to only a handful of owners, as we all add camber-correction bolts to get this up to par for serious motorsports as well from aftermarket sources, along with one of the most common modification, that is coil-over suspension systems.

On the interior department, Japanese 2015 models have been graced with a tan/black interior combination which isn’t available in the USA Scion FRS nor any market Subaru BRZ, nor the satin silver interior trim (though we have them on the Limited Edition FRS RS1.0 in the USA in volume of 1500.
The colors haven’t been changed aside from the slight shift of the red to a lighter red, now called “Pure Red” from Lighting Red before, as well as Aslight Blue, changed from Galaxy Blue Silica, making the dark blue even darker for Toyota 86 and Scion FRS, while the BRZ’s WR Blue has shifted to a lighter version called “Lapis Blue Pearl.”

8 Speaker audio system for Japan, since the strong adherence to weight reduction for Japan has limited their models to 4 speaker paper cone system till this next update.
It’s nothing new for the world outside of Japan, as we’ve had 6 speaker high grade poly-carbonate driver systems already in the USA from the start as standard equipment, and furthermore, some of us are already on the much superior OEM+ system available from Scion dealers and directly from OEM Audio… (http://www.oemaudioplus.com/)

Japan finally gets cruise control – something omitted from Japanese models while the rest of the world had them in BRZ, FR-S, and GT86.

Well, now that it is reaching its fourth year in production, the car is preparing for some revamping. We don’t have photos of what it looks like (and I cannot show you if I did…) but here are some very strong hints of details of what the changes will contain for 2018.

A new front face (bumper and auxiliary lighting, as well as a new headlight assembly
The plan also includes definitely, new rear tail-lamp assembly. And yes, nice to know, though I do like the current tail too… And, for lots of folks, it’s already replaced with an aftermarket one as well, right?
A new center console and meter cluster will be part of the 2018 model too, not just colors but also a new shape.
A revised power steering module programming to allow sharper steering input at lower speeds while making it less responsive at high speeds over 200km/h to easy Autobahn speed long cruising. (Wait?! Autobahn Speeds with current engine power? Well I suppose it does reach 200km/h yes, but not too much higher than that… Still it is a nice move forward and interesting that they would consider such limited use condition and still perfect it to that situation as well.4. A revision will be made further, to make a little more adjustments to the EPS and VSC programming, again, mostly to address SPORT mode parameters to accommodate sportier driving. Like I said before, I don’t even use the VSC on a raceway so this isn’t a huge change for anyone seriously competing already.)
With the upgrade also will include couples of beefier lower arms and rods, as well as driveshafts that are tiny bit larger and beefier.So…. I guess you are still asking if there is a turbo or any more power added. They hint that there will be slightly more power, but not in any significantly different way it will deliver it, and changes are more to address things they didn’t achieve in the first editions. I’m expecting a modest increase, but more revisions to cure those tiny bits that needed some attention before.
Subaru USA though is hinting with an aggressively restyled BRZ at New York Auto show as we speak, so who knows… Maybe they’re hiding something much bigger in news?
A some elements have been addressed in the manual transmissions to allow more durability and resulting precision at the shift lever feel as well.


IN conclusion though, here are my thoughts. For the folks who sees these minor revision as points in a local car meet, or just absolutely have to have the “what’s new” to post on Instagram, these changes may well be worth waiting for another year or two. Yes, naturally it will be a nicer car I suppose if the face and tail is something they feel is better looking. I have my concerns on that though with lots of recent updated cars from all makes. Anyway that is that.
For those who just love the FRS/86/BRZ however, I really do feel that the current car is excellent, and for those who love to drive with any spirited energy, or at the absolute edge of adhesion on a closed raceway, I would instead recommend that you find a good used one for half the price of upcoming 2018, and just go crazy with a well planned hop-up menu. While the ‘minor-change’ as Japanese like to call these mid-cycle facelifts, do improve on some key items to help sell more and refresh the car on an ongoing basis, this car is just too good to spend couple of years less of your lifetime and miss out on the fun. Most of the updates in a typical minor-change can usually be fitted to an older model of the same generation too. So we can worry about this later… Much, later… when the 1.5 gen 2017 will also be a bargain racecar in perhaps 2022? That’s the way I look at it, and that latter method was how, an old AE86 was enjoyed. Aging well and being true to the roots, the more it aged.

So just go find one and get with the program really. I assure you, after 10 minutes, you’ll not care about the small things, as you work your gear lever and smile on your way somewhere not far enough.

By the way, if you want to know more about what is going on with Toyota 86, subscribe to this series of books. XaCar 86/BRZ Magazine Volume 7.

2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-2 2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-3 2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-4 2015_4_16_XaCar_Vol7_FRS update-101-5

For the picture links, please go to the source page at the top of www.club4ag.com

Yay! Finally a source I believe guess by that model year ill be out of law school, so depending on if I actually land a decent job, I may pick up a new model or jump ship to the new supra! Looking forward to seeing how both cars develop!

[stevesnj]

So this says for the 2015 not the 2016? what will be done to the 2016? also the Toyota Japan site shows the color code as the lapis blue pearl for the 86. so who's right? Toyota website or Tada-san?

[Dadhawk]

Thanks @Moto-P for sharing this with us.

I honestly see nothing in there that makes me want to plan to buy a MK2 86.

2018 model year is about the time I would be looking for a potentially new DD, but most likely I'll hang on the "Olivia" and give her my own refresh/update as the article suggests.

[914_WHITE_FRS]

cb is fugly. I just want them to give us better interior upgrades and more accessories