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View Poll Results: How affordable does a 250HP OEM twin need to be to trade in your current twin?
Not going to trade in my twin 113 45.75%
$31K MSRP (250hp MT base) 93 37.65%
$33K MSRP (250hp MT base) 27 10.93%
$35K MSRP (250hp MT base) 11 4.45%
$38K MSRP (250hp MT base) 0 0%
$40K MSRP (250hp MT base) 3 1.21%
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:55 AM   #71
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I'm keeping my eye on the Innovate intercooled kit.... very tempting especially if they get the CARB approval. Might be the best path for me if I want that extra HP right now.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:21 PM   #72
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My FRS has a special place in my heart. I considered trading it in for a monogram series but I just can't part with it at this point.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:46 PM   #73
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A base STi is $37,600. And a fully decked out STi is $43,000. I would expect the more powerful BRZ/FR-S to cost the same. I owe $17,000 on my FR-S. And by the time the more powerful version comes out, I will owe about $10,000. So adding $27,000 to my loan sounds terrible. NO WAY! I'll upgrade mine!
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:58 PM   #74
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This car is not about HP by design. You bought the wrong car.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:20 PM   #75
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lol Porsche Cayman is 52k+ MSRP .....that is 12k a part...no way
But in this case the 12k is buying a 275hp, mid engine Porsche that is superior in every conceivable quality and performance aspect.

Caymans are beasts and the 981 looks like a super car.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:27 PM   #76
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The 2.0XT is the same FA20 as ours but turbo-charged netting 250hp, with AWD, and a lame CVT transmission. If they can do the Forester 2.0XT for under $30K, I think the turbo-version of the twin can be around the the same ballpark.
You are forgetting vehicle value.
A base NA Forester is $22k. The turbo is $28k that's a $6k premium. The Impreza, WRX and STi also all have $8k spacing each other out.
(18k, 26k and $35k).

A factory turbo option would be at least $5k more. If they make it a package with wheels, brakes, suspension, areo kit and seats, you can count on it being $8-10k.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:46 PM   #77
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I picked $ 33k, because above that, I'd much rather have an STi.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:54 PM   #78
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It is possible that a FI model may come out, but it probably won't happen any time soon - if it does it won't be for another 3-5 years. However, I think we can use the Legacy GT DIT as a benchmark:

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  • Bore: 86 mm
  • Stroke: 86 mm
  • Displacement: 1,998 cc
  • Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
  • Power: 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp) at 7,000 RPM
  • Torque: 20.9 kg·m (205 N·m; 151 lb·ft) at 6,400-6,600 RPM
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A version with direct fuel injection and twin-scroll turbocharger was introduced in 2012 to the Japanese market for the Legacy GT DIT (direct injection turbo) sedan, and the Legacy GT DIT Touring Wagon.
  • Bore: 86 mm
  • Stroke: 86 mm
  • Displacement: 1,998 cc
  • Compression Ratio: 10.6:1
  • Power: 300 PS (221 kW; 296 hp) at 5,600 RPM
  • Torque: 40.8 kg·m (400 N·m; 295 lb·ft) at 2,000-4,800 RPM
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:11 PM   #79
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I'll have my FR-S paid off soon, so I'm gonna keep that and buy a DD that's even faster than a 250HP FR-S.
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I would trade in for a 3.0l boxer 6. They could sell that for quite a bit I think.
Screw all that 2.5L upgrade jazz, I'm totally down on a 3.0L H6... so long as they can find a way to keep the weight down.
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N/A FA20 vs. JDM Legacy GT DIT engine comparison
That DIT engine redlines at...6K RPM or something boring like that. I have no doubt it's powerful enough to propel a car to great speeds, but that just sounds boring. If I want a 6K redline, I'll buy a large displacement V8.
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Would love it if they designed a small twin turbo kit for our cars. I wouldn't trade mine in, and would still just FI my car myself, but the aftermarket for our cars would explode even more than it already has.

If they released a larger displacement engine... I'd probably do a trade-in. I'd hate to spend money on mods (like FI) on a weaker platform/starting point.

If they decided to implement hybrid technology, I wouldn't trade my car in, but would be very interested in seeing how that technology would impact the Electric Supercharger(s) being designed, or some sort of Electric Turbocharger design.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_turbocharger"]Hybrid turbocharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame].
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Mhm... maybe you're missing the point of my comment - no one prefers a low red line on this car, at least I don't as well as you. But I am not focusing on red line necessarily - I am focusing on subaru's turbo version of the engine (hence, "use as a benchmark") and then using that to build off of to use as a reference. I also get that it won't be exactly like a factory built one...

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Old 11-15-2013, 08:29 PM   #84
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It needs to be a hell of a lot better than what I already have for me to even bother.
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