Insideline: FR-S vs. '85 Corolla GTS (AE86)

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Meh, I definitely prefer double wishbones. Porsche 911's benefit from MacPherson strut's understeering tendencies since so much of the weight is in the rear. But for most cars, MacPherson strut is still inferior to double wishbones. Sure, some BMW, Porsche, and Audi's still use them and they have their cost/weight/size/stroke advantages but even the best of them can't overcome their inherent disadvantages. At least I can always tell the difference. Double wishbones just tend to seem more planted and linear and grippier at the limit. But it's obviously not a deal-breaker for me and I'm aware that it would have been very difficult, if not impossible for them to fit proper double wishbones with that wide boxer engine up front.

Nobody is trying to give the impression that it's better than double wishbone. The point is, it works well enough for some of the best handling cars in the world and it does here too. Period.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Meh, I definitely prefer double wishbones. Porsche 911's benefit from MacPherson strut's understeering tendencies since so much of the weight is in the rear. But for most cars, MacPherson strut is still inferior to double wishbones. Sure, some BMW, Porsche, and Audi's still use them and they have their cost/weight/size/stroke advantages but even the best of them can't overcome their inherent disadvantages. At least I can always tell the difference. Double wishbones just tend to seem more planted and linear and grippier at the limit. But it's obviously not a deal-breaker for me and I'm aware that it would have been very difficult, if not impossible for them to fit proper double wishbones with that wide boxer engine up front.

thats total bull. there is no way you can tell from just driving a car.

the ae86 was kind of a turd. while i liked it alot, the car didnt do anything special. its also a little funny that you end up seeing many of the same people knocking the mustang gt for its solid axle and praising the ae86 for its handling.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats total bull. there is no way you can tell from just driving a car.

the ae86 was kind of a turd. while i liked it alot, the car didnt do anything special. its also a little funny that you end up seeing many of the same people knocking the mustang gt for its solid axle and praising the ae86 for its handling.

Back in the pre-initial d days I was looking for my first sports/y car. Rwd Corolla GT-S looked cool, like a baby Mk3 Supra. Then I found out the power they make (none) and that they had a stick axle. So I just bought a turbo Supra.

Stick axle was the real deal-killer. Still is actually.

[MF_DEUCE]

hey thanks for posting! PM_LFA, doesnt the driver of the FRS look like the guy who was at the FRS meet in Arcadia? That same guy told me they were at GMR before that meet so it could've been that same day.

[blofeld42]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

I'm pretty sure a bike will fit if you fold the seats and remove the front wheel. I've fit them into some pretty small cars in the past.

I'm fine with removing both wheels--it's not like it's hard--but I do want to be able to leave it in the car so I can walk away and get dinner instead of leaving it on top out in the street.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats total bull. there is no way you can tell from just driving a car.

Test me. Let me drive a few cars (I don't already know) hard with the different types of suspension and see if I'm right.

[SoCal_86]

Very nice review. I want full size pictures of that hatch!

[PERRIN_Chris]

Hey socal_AE86, I remember your hatch from club4AG! The pictures from the article can actually be expanded, there's a little link with an arrow on the corner of the picture that makes the picture huge.

[mandm177]

Originally Posted by demby123

Dangit, of only they'd continue the RWD corolla into the 90s... the possibilities.

you mean this?

AE111 20v Blacktop in my AE86 Coupe

[jdrxb9]

Originally Posted by blofeld42

"Sure, you're not going to easily stuff a bicycle in the back of a 2013 Scion FR-S"

Has anyone tried it? I'd really, really like to fit a bike back there and not have to use a bike rack. I'd be kinda surprised you can fit four wheels in back but not a bike.

link - also link - also link

Using the measurements I took, I actually mocked up the space with some pvc I had laying around. I'm sure both my road and mtb will fit (one at at time, of course) with front wheels removed. YMMV with seating position, bike size, etc.

[Draco-REX]

ITBs are teh secks.

[demby123]

Originally Posted by mandm177

you mean this?

AE111 20v Blacktop in my AE86 Coupe

Why don't I ever see or hear 20v swapped ae86's driving around dallas lol

[demby123]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Back in the pre-initial d days I was looking for my first sports/y car. Rwd Corolla GT-S looked cool, like a baby Mk3 Supra. Then I found out the power they make (none) and that they had a stick axle. So I just bought a turbo Supra.

Stick axle was the real deal-killer. Still is actually.

Trust me, the ae86 is a car you have to at least drive once.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by demby123

Trust me, the ae86 is a car you have to at least drive once.

trust me, its not worth the price of admission. just spend .75 the money and get a miata