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aemravan · 05-11-2019, 04:22 PM

Well...the car is with Toyota as of this morning.

The guy there said they apparently have done "a lot. Most of the Charlotte area ones" and said I was on the later tail end of the recall. Supposedly they are ordering parts Monday in the morning and could be repairing as early as Tuesday or Wednesday.

Now I'm sure that wont be the case once they find out what's inside of the head and the valve issue.. I did tell him briefly what my findings were but I'm sure that didnt register.

Told them I wasnt in a rush and to take their time with it so we'll see. I also completely blanked as far as a loaner car is concerned. I dont need one, we have 2 running cars aside from the supra for daily use. If anything comes up with me having to cover cost of some parts that aren't covered I may play the loaner not being supplied card though.. that is 35 bucks a day if I'm not mistaking.

Had a buddy tow it on his trailer, got a good look at it "on the road " finally and man..I can't wait to get it running !

Thanks again for all the input ! I'll keep you guys updated as to what ends up happening.

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Opie · 05-12-2019, 02:38 PM

After reading the entire thread I would agree that the recall repair will correct your problem. Looks like you got one of the lucky 4%. Otherwise good job on the rebuild, pretty satisfying isn't it?

RZNT4R · 05-12-2019, 04:56 PM

Meh.

There's a recall so they'll replace all the springs, but ordinarily if you'd have one spring fail and bump that one valve, just get that one head off, change one valve and one spring and close it back up, it's not really matter for a rebuild.

aemravan · 05-13-2019, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Opie

After reading the entire thread I would agree that the recall repair will correct your problem. Looks like you got one of the lucky 4%. Otherwise good job on the rebuild, pretty satisfying isn't it?

Thanks man, its satisfying indeed. Even with all the valvetrain issues that came up I still had a blast getting this thing to the point its at now. If if wasnt for a valve spring issue we would have had the car on the ground ready to paint in literally 1.5 days of work. But no worries there, just hoping everything goes smooth with the dealer and the motor is back to 100%.

Can't wait to get it back and get working on the paint stuff so we can slap it all together and get it on the road. I'm already wrapping the steering wheel in carbon fiber and have plans to do the same with the center section of the front lip we got going on it

aemravan · 05-13-2019, 10:25 AM

A couple quick pics while car is at the dealer

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aemravan · 05-13-2019, 11:38 AM

well so far not off to a roaring start. Got a call from the dealer with "not so good news"

"we can't work on this car because there is no warranty on it"

I asked if the guy was serious and what a safety recall has anything to do with a salvage title or car being under warranty or not? Informed him that I already called the customer care center to inquire about this and that they gave me a case number for a valid repair outstanding against the VIN. He asked that I get him the number so he can contact them direct and get confirmation.

Going to be awaiting his call in an hour or so and then contacting the customer care center directly myself.

He also claimed that the "motor was pulled previously by someone" I asked how he came to that conclusion and he said it was because his tech found some things that were "previously disconnected" ie: there was 1 harness that I had cut some zip ties off of. Regardless of that fact however, what the hell does any of that have anything to do with an outstanding safety recall on the vehicle? Not feeling so optimistic at this point.

aemravan · 05-13-2019, 11:44 AM

Also just looked up the warranty information, 5 year 36k mile... 2013 FR-S with a 2018 November recall issue date, the car would have been out of warranty at the start of the recall regardless so I'm calling bullshit on that.

Also going to call bullshit on the "we determined the engine was pulled by looking at 3 zip ties out of place" claim as well. But for now i'll play nice and see what they'll say in the next hour or two

RZNT4R · 05-13-2019, 12:41 PM

It's a Subaru engine, it's easier and faster to pull it out and work on it on a stand than working it in the hole.

aemravan · 05-13-2019, 12:44 PM

No doubt about that. Also dont see how that is relevant to the said recall.

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RZNT4R · 05-13-2019, 06:00 PM

The only way it could be relevant is if the engine number doesn't correspond to the one on the car's build sheet. We've seen that toyota won't do the spring recall if it isn't the car's original engine, but it would probably be on them to demonstrate that it isn't.

aemravan · 05-13-2019, 06:28 PM

Just talked to the guy at the dealership, they were concerned about mismatched bins from the series 10 front end. And with some clips undone on the engine were afraid it was a swapped car. I told them no sir. They have a headquarters rep coming Thursday to verify the motor matches the car. So more waiting but hopefully is worth it

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Opie · 05-13-2019, 09:05 PM

Same process for my rebuilds, they have to confirm the engine is the one built with the chassis. Took them 7 days to get my first one approved and completed. Salvage title means nothing for a recall, they still have to do it.

aemravan · 05-14-2019, 11:16 AM

I'm hoping to hear good news sometime thursday.. but already preparing myself for the bs "this isn't the original motor that came with the car" claim. Guess I should start looking up where to find the serialization of the block that would need to match the VIN and what that process is..

I was just surprised that the dealer doesn't have any way to trace the motor to the car and has to have a headquarter rep come out to do so... sounds a little suspicious to me.

RZNT4R · 05-14-2019, 06:35 PM

The engine number is on the timing cover, just next to the dipstick tube, but it's not a vehicle vin.

There are also numbers engraved on top of the block halves where they meet at the bellhousing and on a flat section on the left block half, also at the rear near the bellhousing, but it doesn't seem to correlate to the vin, I just went down to check on mine.

I've seen vins stamped on blocks before, but I'm not sure if this car has it and where.

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05-11-2019, 04:22 PM	#29
aemravan Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well...the car is with Toyota as of this morning. The guy there said they apparently have done "a lot. Most of the Charlotte area ones" and said I was on the later tail end of the recall. Supposedly they are ordering parts Monday in the morning and could be repairing as early as Tuesday or Wednesday. Now I'm sure that wont be the case once they find out what's inside of the head and the valve issue.. I did tell him briefly what my findings were but I'm sure that didnt register. Told them I wasnt in a rush and to take their time with it so we'll see. I also completely blanked as far as a loaner car is concerned. I dont need one, we have 2 running cars aside from the supra for daily use. If anything comes up with me having to cover cost of some parts that aren't covered I may play the loaner not being supplied card though.. that is 35 bucks a day if I'm not mistaking. Had a buddy tow it on his trailer, got a good look at it "on the road " finally and man..I can't wait to get it running ! Thanks again for all the input ! I'll keep you guys updated as to what ends up happening. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

05-12-2019, 04:56 PM	#31
RZNT4R Professional Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2017 86 6MT Oceanic Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 789 Thanks: 17 Thanked 633 Times in 371 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Meh. There's a recall so they'll replace all the springs, but ordinarily if you'd have one spring fail and bump that one valve, just get that one head off, change one valve and one spring and close it back up, it's not really matter for a rebuild.

05-13-2019, 10:25 AM	#33
aemravan Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A couple quick pics while car is at the dealer Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

05-13-2019, 11:38 AM	#34
aemravan Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	well so far not off to a roaring start. Got a call from the dealer with "not so good news" "we can't work on this car because there is no warranty on it" I asked if the guy was serious and what a safety recall has anything to do with a salvage title or car being under warranty or not? Informed him that I already called the customer care center to inquire about this and that they gave me a case number for a valid repair outstanding against the VIN. He asked that I get him the number so he can contact them direct and get confirmation. Going to be awaiting his call in an hour or so and then contacting the customer care center directly myself. He also claimed that the "motor was pulled previously by someone" I asked how he came to that conclusion and he said it was because his tech found some things that were "previously disconnected" ie: there was 1 harness that I had cut some zip ties off of. Regardless of that fact however, what the hell does any of that have anything to do with an outstanding safety recall on the vehicle? Not feeling so optimistic at this point.

05-13-2019, 11:44 AM	#35
aemravan Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Also just looked up the warranty information, 5 year 36k mile... 2013 FR-S with a 2018 November recall issue date, the car would have been out of warranty at the start of the recall regardless so I'm calling bullshit on that. Also going to call bullshit on the "we determined the engine was pulled by looking at 3 zip ties out of place" claim as well. But for now i'll play nice and see what they'll say in the next hour or two

05-13-2019, 12:41 PM	#36
RZNT4R Professional Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2017 86 6MT Oceanic Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 789 Thanks: 17 Thanked 633 Times in 371 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's a Subaru engine, it's easier and faster to pull it out and work on it on a stand than working it in the hole.

05-13-2019, 12:44 PM	#37
aemravan Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No doubt about that. Also dont see how that is relevant to the said recall. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

05-13-2019, 06:00 PM	#38
RZNT4R Professional Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2017 86 6MT Oceanic Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 789 Thanks: 17 Thanked 633 Times in 371 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The only way it could be relevant is if the engine number doesn't correspond to the one on the car's build sheet. We've seen that toyota won't do the spring recall if it isn't the car's original engine, but it would probably be on them to demonstrate that it isn't.

05-13-2019, 06:28 PM	#39
aemravan Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just talked to the guy at the dealership, they were concerned about mismatched bins from the series 10 front end. And with some clips undone on the engine were afraid it was a swapped car. I told them no sir. They have a headquarters rep coming Thursday to verify the motor matches the car. So more waiting but hopefully is worth it Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

05-14-2019, 11:16 AM	#41
aemravan Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm hoping to hear good news sometime thursday.. but already preparing myself for the bs "this isn't the original motor that came with the car" claim. Guess I should start looking up where to find the serialization of the block that would need to match the VIN and what that process is.. I was just surprised that the dealer doesn't have any way to trace the motor to the car and has to have a headquarter rep come out to do so... sounds a little suspicious to me.

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05-14-2019, 06:35 PM	#42
RZNT4R Professional Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2017 86 6MT Oceanic Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 789 Thanks: 17 Thanked 633 Times in 371 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The engine number is on the timing cover, just next to the dipstick tube, but it's not a vehicle vin. There are also numbers engraved on top of the block halves where they meet at the bellhousing and on a flat section on the left block half, also at the rear near the bellhousing, but it doesn't seem to correlate to the vin, I just went down to check on mine. I've seen vins stamped on blocks before, but I'm not sure if this car has it and where.