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I never put too much trust in "insider" info since those that know the real story do not talk about it even with their family much less with friends of friends. It would mean their job if the wrong info got out and they sign some pretty hefty confidentiality agreements.
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Yep. I think the torque dip also effects this as it feels like it's running out of air when it's just getting started. Hell, I drove my old Supra for over a month without going over 4K RPM because I was used to a truck that wouldn't rev. The day I redlined that car was why I became a car person. Quote:
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Completely different car. Like comparing a base model Camaro to a Corvette. Killing off a segment in your lineup means there's a hole for a competitor to steal sales. Toyota fan here, it's what got me interested in this car in the first place. The BRZ was better equipped and that blue... well I had to have it. To me the car feels like a Miata and a Supra mixed. |
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I like it. I'd carry over a lot of mods from mine and dump it into this model. In the end, for me it would be nicer inside, outside and performance-wise despite already having/had almost every STI part. In the end it would have more push to boot while carrying some exclusivity and legitimateness to it as well. For a year at least, it could stave off my desire to buy a GT4/Focus RS/Type R/Z28/GT 350R/ATS-V/M2/Golf R/WRX STI RA wow I want a lot of cars right now, you get the point. Probably sell the current one after that and get into one of those, or get one anyway and use the funds to mod again.
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Having said that, I don't know what is the reason to leak such news now. I know for sure that the relations between Toyota and Subaru were not as good in the past and now looks the same. Maybe they are trying to push the issue on a higher level and find a solution before it is too late. For sure if nothing is on the papers, the date target of '19-'20 for a new model is now out of the question. |
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These cars are important to us so we tend to think it is just as vital to them but in reality it is a tiny speck off to the left of one side of a far corner of their business and a simple majority of nays at a board meeting will kill it in a second. We can try to guess what they are doing based on heresy and rumours but we actually haven't got a clue what the plans are.
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From the looks of their marketing especially with Lexus, they are seemingly pushing a lot of new technology for 2020 and beyond. Does it even make sense still to produce a back to basics sports car by then?
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The car was fun to drive in the stock form, but I can tell you, if you go for mountain drives and pushing yourself out of corners at higher Gs, it's a drug. The car's balance is hardly ruined at higher powers and was seemingly designed for that. I'll stay by my claim that more power=more fun because of experience.
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I remember when people were convinced the brz was going away after 2014.
You do realize it was a collaboration that was built by subaru. When you help take design ideas and shape them into a built reality using subaru parts. Also remember toyota sucks at building fun cars hence why they asked for subarus help. So what help is toyota going to offer at this point.? Maybe they can bring the coffee. |
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I boosted the car after 7 months of ownership and it has added something that I would never want to take away. So to the issue at hand; no one would complain if Subaru/Toyota would just leave the car as is instead of releasing all these special editions with minor tweaks or dress ups.
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The thing is that Mr. Tada was a true believer and I am not sure if his replacer shares the same values. If the current team cannot decide on the next big thing, then it looks to me that they are far away from the original idea. Last edited by nikitopo; 06-10-2017 at 10:04 AM. |
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No wonder you are not an advocate for power in this platform. You don't need it
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No shit!! Different car!?!? All be danged. This car doesn't even have a direct competitor in the market, it is a super niche vehicle. Neither company had this segment until this platform, and it isn't a huge selling segment.
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What I'm saying is that people want 300hp right now. If Subaru gave it for a 2018MY, imagine when 2019MY vehicles come around with the same 300hp. There are going to be people saying "wow, no power increase?" "wow, still 300hp. How about 350?" Because that's what people do. Obviously not everybody, but there are people out there who will never be satisfied. I'm not saying I agree with, because I don't. 200hp is fine, though I think a touch more (like s2k territory) with more mid-range torque would be plenty for the BRZ. With regards to the STI, the 2004 weight like 3,260lbs. The 2015 weighed I think 3,380. If you think about it, that's not bad at all. 10 years and the vehicle has increased in weight by all of 100lbs, while becoming noticeably quicker around a circuit with the same hp. Furthermore, MSRP in 2004 was like 32k, and 2015 was 35k. Given how much vehicles has inflated in price over the recent years, I'd say that's pretty good. If you're referencing the BRZ with weight and power, I don't understand. The power has stayed the same, but so has the weight, so I'm not sure that's even a relevant point.
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