GT 86 Hybrid. Would you?

[alan.chalkley]

Batteries , more electronics , more nanny systems , more service and maintenance costs.
No thanks.

[MarkMash]

don't expect this hybrid 86 for at least 2 - 3 years

[Kunzite]

Originally Posted by alan.chalkley

Batteries , more electronics , more nanny systems , more service and maintenance costs.
No thanks.

I already said it won't be HSD, but a Prius AFAIK don't need more servicing, and doesn't have a higher maintenance cost (about the same as a 1.6 petrol Auris, and less than a diesel)

[shawnperolis]

Originally Posted by quasi86

I think you are just underestimating Toyota's expertise in this field. They are quite simply light years ahead of Honda and just about everyone else in regards to this stuffs. The gen 4 hybrid system is on the horizon and that is an area they are saying they made great strides in. Weight and size of the components.

Look the "hybrid" fr-s isn't coming out in six months. This could take years. Existing tech could be obsolete by the time they role this thing out. And the CR-Z was like so 5 years ago.


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not gunna lie, I was really bummed when the CR-Z came out and it sucked. I loved my old CRX to death, a modern incarnation would have been sweet. They did not succeed in reviving their cult classic like Toyota did with the GT86.

So, if anyone could pull it off... It'd be Toyota.

[radroach]

Originally Posted by SC David

If it adds more than 50hp/75ft.lbs AND they are somehow able to get an electric motor in there without disrupting the balance of the car AND if the whole system weighs less than 200 lbs AND we retain a manual transmission, I'm all in. HY-KERS FR-S ftw.

One of the biggest changes I can make to the balance of my car (besides passengers) is how much fuel is in the tank. If you can offset that with a battery, you can have a smaller fuel tank (because better city economy), less gas in the tank to affect balance.

[Allch Chcar]

7/10 might bang. It really depends on what we're talking about here for the final result.

Originally Posted by shawnperolis

Here is an interesting thread:
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2992810

this guy took the hybrid stuffs out of his CRZ to replace it with a K24. The entire engine and drivetrain weighed 479lbs... The 2.4 liter k24 he was putting in weighed only 325 pounds. So about a 150 pound difference between the two... I just don't see the advantage of this compared to a turbo or supercharged setup, other than the instant torque and the uniqueness.

The entire hybrid setup is 150lbs for 13HP. That's a power to weight ratio of 11.5 right there. And the CRZ does get excellent real world MPG, unlike some other hybrids.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by hobojoker

What about a hybrid cng with electric valving? Koenigsegg is working on that with a Saab

Psh, no one wants %30 more HP and 30% more TQ, oh and %30 better fuel economy?

Pah! Who wants that? I'll just put a big turbo on it and make turbo noises every time i accelerate.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Psh, no one wants %30 more HP and 30% more TQ, oh and %30 better fuel economy?

Pah! Who wants that? I'll just put a big turbo on it and make turbo noises every time i accelerate.

30% more weight and 30% less handling?

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

30% more weight and 30% less handling?

Your wrong, its more lighter then a normal engine. You could have a 1.3L engine pushing out 300HP. No pushrod needed.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

30% more weight and 30% less handling?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...t3-r-hybrid-20

i doubt this thing handles 30% worse than anything and it wont be anywhere near 30% heavier either. granted racing technology is not really attainable in the realm of budget sports cars, but i think that hybrid technology is evolving in line with the tech sector rather than the motor industry. a 220lb weight penalty for the addition of awd and an extra 200 hp should almost force you to take it seriously.

[SVTSHC]

I'd be curious about a hybrid system for the 86. If TRD claims they can kep the vehicle the same weight and still introduce a hybrid system that will increase both power and fuel mileage then they've got my attention.

[FR-S/GT-86]

Originally Posted by russv

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/08/t...-gt-86-hybrid/

They really have been talking about this since the beginning... more KERS than Hybrid Synergy Drive. Very small light battery pack. Minimal weight added. Why doesn't this make sense? Most that think this is crazy are the same ones that want 300hp monsters that are hard to keep on the road.

Also, I don't get the "hate" for the Prius. I wouldn't drive one, and I hate following the "turtles" in the left lane... but without the profits of the Prius, do you think Toyota would have spent the money to develop the GT86 in the first place??

[russv]

Originally Posted by FR-S/GT-86

They really have been talking about this since the beginning... more KERS than Hybrid Synergy Drive. Very small light battery pack. Minimal weight added. Why doesn't this make sense? Most that think this is crazy are the same ones that want 300hp monsters that are hard to keep on the road.

Also, I don't get the "hate" for the Prius. I wouldn't drive one, and I hate following the "turtles" in the left lane... but without the profits of the Prius, do you think Toyota would have spent the money to develop the GT86 in the first place??

I don't hate the Prius myself and am considering a "C". I'm not convinced the profits from the Prius was the impetus for the 86 development as Toyota is quite profitable (hence my ownership of their stock). A KERS version of the 86 would be interesting but would push the price beyond what most 86 owners would pay. (compare the price of a Yaris vs the Prius C which are close to the same car but a 20-25% price difference). Most KERS system cars are in very high end sports cars (Porsche and Ferrari). Perhaps as development improves the cost will come down.

[WolfpackS2k]

Sounds like a great idea to me IF:

-adds less than $4000 to the cost of the car
-adds about 50 hp / 75 lb-ft torque
-adds 100-150 lbs max
-doesn't reduce trunk/storage space at all
-gas mileage stays the same or increases 10-15%
-doesn't hurt the handling/nimbleness

Otherwise no thanks, just give me a supercharger/turbocharger.