How satisfied are you with your FR-S/BRZ?

[Teseo]

The thing still amuse me is the fact that before someone buy a car they thought "what they will think of this car" . An example is "if i buy a mustang i can brag about hp/tq" and such.
I dont need to showoff, increase the risk and i would not be rewarded either.

[Hoahao]

Look at any dyno for the thing, it makes a huge lump of torque between, 2.5-3.5k, I don't need to rev past 4k for driving around town even when driving like an idiot.

That's really my experience on my roads. Doing a tight corner at 40 MPH in my automatic, I'm in 3rd gear at 3000 RPM. Stomp on the gas and go to 50 MPH at 4000 RPM. Blip on ye ole paddle shifter to 4th gear and your at 3000 RPM and accelerating nicely.

[Thehermdawg]

The only way that my FRS could be any better is if it came with Anna Kendrick. Honestly, I'm going to be spoiled rotten having this as a first sports car because I doubt pretty much nothing else on the market will make me smile so hard. Even a year later I still walk away from my car after a drive saying I love this car.

People need to stop over analyzing this car and just test drive one. 9/10 people won't be disappointed. There will always be that group of people that don't enjoy it more because they might live somewhere that has a lot of straights and not many corners and that's fine. But go out and drive one and stop worrying about numbers if you're serious about the car.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Look at any dyno for the thing, it makes a huge lump of torque between, 2.5-3.5k, I don't need to rev past 4k for driving around town even when driving like an idiot.

This.

My wife is still learning to drive. She mistakenly took of from standstill, on level ground, in third. I complimented her on not stalling. She was just feathering the throttle around 2-3k. I don't get this talk of no low end torque.

[Jond63]

Originally Posted by Hoahao

Look at any dyno for the thing, it makes a huge lump of torque between, 2.5-3.5k, I don't need to rev past 4k for driving around town even when driving like an idiot.

That's really my experience on my roads. Doing a tight corner at 40 MPH in my automatic, I'm in 3rd gear at 3000 RPM. Stomp on the gas and go to 50 MPH at 4000 RPM. Blip on ye ole paddle shifter to 4th gear and your at 3000 RPM and accelerating nicely.

Exactly -- for me, driving around town is what I mostly do, and 0-40mph(64kph) is most important to me and as far as I can tell this thing gets up and goes.

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by Thehermdawg

The only way that my FRS could be any better is if it came with Anna Kendrick.

Yours didn't?

[HimBRZ]

Find someone with an old sports car and ask them to let you drive it, then get back in you FRS/BRZ. That's where us old guys are coming from. We loved our old, light sports cars, but we now have a car that out handles them, has all the modern conveniences, is at least 3 seconds quicker to 60, and is dead solid reliable for DD.
If you have to have 300-500 hp in daily driving, you're a lazy driver.
I would love a louder exhaust. I'll do that and put better tires on it when the originals wear out and I'll be satisfied.
Also, learn to work with the shifter/trans and it's sublime.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Or maybe most us have cars that don't have any of the issues you have except the chirping. I have 5 cars right now and used to have a Mitsubishi product as my first car. Quite the PoS and most of the Evos I've been in were little better.

Maybe you need to look into using your included warranty or lemon the car if it's that bad. My dash, windows, steering wheel, are the same as the day I picked it up. No squeaks either but I went ahead and reinforced some key points of the chassis where the 'experts' said I was wasting my time and money, and that the chassis was already perfect.

Maybe Toyota/Subaru should have charged $40K and included a nice dealer markup to take make the experience like buying an Evo. Hell, they could even include the ground shorting out every time it rains and shutting the car down for free! Just like a Mitsubishi.

my Mitsubishi had zero issues that I didn't directly cause and wasn't all that much more money than my frs, the only car ive had issues with in the rain is my frs because they didn't install body plugs so water was getting in my car. ive owned a lot of cars and this is probably the one with the most issues.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Look at any dyno for the thing, it makes a huge lump of torque between, 2.5-3.5k, I don't need to rev past 4k for driving around town even when driving like an idiot.

No doubt 5k+ is more fun, but all the 'lol no down low torque' comments confuse me, it really makes me doubt the driving skills of those people.

you do realize that they are correct in saying it has no low end tq, those numbers are not good low end power numbers this car is very underpowered.

[Jond63]

Originally Posted by evomike

you do realize that they are correct in saying it has no low end tq, those numbers are not good low end power numbers this car is very underpowered.

I try to not let the numbers bother me as I am usually having too much fun to care.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by Jond63

I try to not let the numbers bother me as I am usually having too much fun to care.

can I ask what other cars you have owned

[Thehermdawg]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Yours didn't?

Well if yours did then I'd be feeling like I got ripped off then. Lol

[TylerLieberman]

I modified mine about a week after I bought it a couple years ago, so I never really knew what it was like to drive a stock one around. When it was built up, I loved it. Drove great, handled well, just the right amount of power (header, exhaust, & tune), and was super fun. Now, the car has been stock for a couple months and I have to say, it's a bit toobland for me. It's still a good chassis and I love the car, but it just isn't much of any fun to me for day to day driving.

The car is a blank canvas, and it has loads of potential. I personally feel like the best way to enjoy the car is to make it your own and just improve a few aspects of the car a little bit here and there.

For my entire ownership, I'd give it a 90/100. It's the most fun car that I've owned and was super easy to work with. I just wish it had a stronger drivetrain and more clearance under the front fenders for steering angle(I used mine for drifting so my interests/desires may be different from most). If those two details were not of issue, I'd probably give the car a 95/100.

For me to give the car a full blown 100/100, the car would have needed to come turbocharged from the factory as well. I'm well aware why the car is N/A and I love the way it drives. It's just that, for me personally, it would have been the cherry on top cause I know at that point, all you would need is a downpipe/J-pipe, exhaust, and tune, and you'd probably be around the 300whp and that would be perfect.

Keep in mind that this is just my personal preference based on my intentions I had with the car, so others on this forum may not agree. No regrets buying the car though. My interests and priorities have just changed a bit, so now the car no longer suits what I'm looking for in a vehicle.

Now I'm just waiting for the new engine to make it's way into the new STI and I'll be ready to make the switch.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by evomike

you do realize that they are correct in saying it has no low end tq, those numbers are not good low end power numbers this car is very underpowered.

If it has no low end torque then it has no high end torque as the numbers are within 95% of each other and in the Edmunds dyno the peak torque came at 2.7k rpm. This is not like the S2000 where at best you're looking at 85% of your peak torque until you hit 6k rpm. Either the 86 "has torque down low" or "has no torque at all", you can't contradict what's been measured.

Power is a different story and I understand some people feel that it is underpowered and nothing I say will change that. And of course comparing torque to cars with bigger engines is silly, if that's the criteria then why discuss at all? Obviously the 86 "fails" in that aspect, not much to be said.

I can however be confused how in the world they struggle on 200 horses when many people remember the days when most cars had less than 100 and most cars sold today have less than 150.