Would you prefer that the FRS had a "real" engine?

[Zaphodb2002]

You may not like THIS horizontally opposed engine, but it's most likely because you don't like the power it makes, and the way it delivers that power. The engine's physical layout has very little to do with how much power it makes. A 86mm x 86mm 2.0L I4 with D4-S would likely make around the same power, but have more vibration and a higher CoG, negatively affecting rev limits, driveability, and handling. The tradeoff is that the I4 is much easier to produce and to work on than the flat engine (one cylinder head vs two, spark plugs are more accessible, don't have to split it in half to get at the crank, etc).

The only advantage an inline 4 would have over an H4 is cost to manufacture and maintain. Otherwise, the horizontally opposed engine is better in basically every respect.

I've owned I4's, both transverse and longitudinal, turbocharged and N/A, a V6, an I6, a rotary, an H4 turbo and now this H4 N/A, and for pleasure of driving, the I6 and the H4 have been the most fun, with the rotary just behind.

So you may not like the motor in our 86's, and that's fine, but it's probably not the cylinder configuration you should be complaining about.

[fitcious]

wait - i didn't know our boxer engines were fake? omg.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by drewbot

You say you don't like it, but provide no reason?

Don't really need a reason to not like something do I? I absolutely hate Eggplant and I cant give you a reason for that either, just don't.

I bought the car despite the engine because I like the way the car handles. As T-coat said, so far, it serves the purpose of converting chemical energy into torque.

My feelings for the rotary are much the same. It's a neat science experiment, but not to my liking.

Given my druthers, I would prefer a V6 or L4 design. For the record, I don't like any of the flat engines be it in a Subaru or a Ferrari or a VW.

Not sure where people think I am trolling, I asked a legitimate question and expected a considered answer. I am constantly amazed by people who try to interpret insult into anything they read on a Forum.

So, my question still stands, "Would this be a better car with a non boxer engine?

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

And before anyone spews chapter and verse from The Book of Subaru about CG being ruined: don't bother because unless you move the engine to the roof, the difference would not be noticeable.

LOL. You were so full of shit in the first few paragraphs that I didn't even get this far.

Originally Posted by NOHOME

I bought the car despite the engine because I like the way the car handles.

That's a stupid thing to say, because the car handles the way it does in part because it has a low center of gravity.

Originally Posted by NOHOME

So, my question still stands, "Would this be a better car with a non boxer engine?

And the answer is still "no."

[frsvr4]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

Don't really need a reason to not like something do I? I absolutely hate Eggplant and I cant give you a reason for that either

If you wanted an intelligent discussion, providing intelligent complaints may help.

Again, I'll help, you hate eggplant because of the way it tastes, its texture, or both. Now that we've got the neurons firing, what about the FA20 do you not like?

[PNW-BRZ]

Ya, it would be fun to drop this in...
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...TE-MOTOR-652HP

[drewbot]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

So, my question still stands, "Would this be a better car with a non boxer engine?

Ok, sorta understand your point then. Funny how the handling makes up for it for you.

This car would be a better car if it came with an F20C in it, or I'd take a K20 which IMHO can take beatings all day long and make decent power

but they were engines of a different emissions era....

[3nl]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

Don't really need a reason to not like something do I? I absolutely hate Eggplant and I cant give you a reason for that either, just don't.

Yes, you do need a reason to dislike something, otherwise you are just ignorant. Do you hate eggplant because you disagree with the texture? Don't like the flavor? Think it's a pain to cook? costs too much money? Don't agree with the farming practices? There is a reason you don't like it...and if there isn't you are just ignorant. You didn't give a reason why you don't like the boxer, what about it is so bad? If not, you are just flat out trolling.

Originally Posted by NOHOME

Given my druthers, I would prefer a V6 or L4 design. For the record, I don't like any of the flat engines be it in a Subaru or a Ferrari or a VW.

What druthers? Can you articulate any reason at all why a V6 or L4 would be a better configuration for this car, or even any car?

[jlugo711]

I don't like the boxer because it sounds like crickets permanently live under my hood. It's a very boring motor from the factory. Give it some supporting mods, rid the torque dip and you have a fun car with an over engineered chassis. Probably will end up blowing up eventually and then you can replace it with virtually whatever. Or rebuild the motor to be more durable the second time around. The best part about the car was that it was built for the owner to do whatever the hell they want.

[F3RGY68]

Originally Posted by jlugo711

I don't like the boxer because it sounds like crickets permanently live under my hood. It's a very boring motor from the factory. Give it some supporting mods, rid the torque dip and you have a fun car with an over engineered chassis.

None of those issues are specific to the boxer engine design.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by jlugo711

It's a very boring motor from the factory. .

I can never understand this statement.
How is an engine "boring"? A boring car I get but just the engine? If they put a different 200hp engine in there would it be exciting?

[driftguy]

Sometimes I wonder if people buy these cars and don't ever actually "drive" them. I autocross on a regular basis with a stock "real" engine and have a fucking blast EVERY TIME.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by jlugo711

I don't like the boxer because it sounds like crickets permanently live under my hood.

Boxer engines do not make that sound. If your engine is making that sound, you need to drive it off a bridge.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

So, I thought to bring the question over to FRS central...Would you prefer that the Twins had a non-boxter engine?

Wait... we had a Boxter engine this entire time??? Never knew 265HP felt so slow.

-alex