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Old 01-26-2020, 07:52 PM   #1
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Cost of STX VS. SSC build

Not happy with fighting Focus RSí and Civic Type Rís , so I may have to chang classes to be competitive. How much have you spent on your STX and SSC cars. I drive my car year round and canít lower too much for winters. 2013 BRZ
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As mentioned later in the thread that's near enough the 2019 champion car build. You can of course spend more money if you wish.

iirc SSC is nearly $4k, I think it comes down to if you like the Falkens or the faster pricier tires because STX will certainly have a higher cost per run on the bigger faster tire, by my math it's about $7-8/run for me in STX. The rear bumpstop travel snap oversteer issue is also a personal choice on SSC but a lot of people don't care about it. IMHO drive an SSC car or ride in one or at least buy a set of Falkens before committing to the class, STX plunge is also tough to know how deep is too deep for you personally but the parts may be a bit easier to sell in the future.
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I've only ever seen 1 or 2 SCC cars up here outside of the FLR champ tour. If you're looking for competition to drive against that may be something to think about.

The SSC suspension kit looks to be around $1800 and a set of wheels $800 on tire rack.

I was able to piece together the the bare minimum, coilovers, wheels and rear camber capability for ~$2000. It's competitive enough locally and I'm slowly adding pieces as time goes on. If I drove the car year round I would have went with a coilover that had stainless steel housings.
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I've only ever seen 1 or 2 SCC cars up here outside of the FLR champ tour. If you're looking for competition to drive against that may be something to think about.

The SSC suspension kit looks to be around $1800 and a set of wheels $800 on tire rack.

I was able to piece together the the bare minimum, coilovers, wheels and rear camber capability for ~$2000. It's competitive enough locally and I'm slowly adding pieces as time goes on. If I drove the car year round I would have went with a coilover that had stainless steel housings.

same i dont think susquehanna even has anyone in the class. i know nepa has 1 guy that shows up some times. i just go out trying to have fun and if i beat someone thats cool. hopefully i get good soon
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SCC is markedly cheaper due to the restrictions on what you can run

In STX i had well over 9 grand in components to stay competative.

Titanium exhaust, custom tune on 91, over 3 grand in suspension components, another 2k for tires and wheels, brakes depending on if you have brembos or upgrade to something with a bigger pad ( though id swear up and down the stock non brembos are enough "pad" for autox) and you know the usual sorts of harness bar, harness, various bushings, braces, the karcepts bar.....

there's alot of juice to be drank if you want good stuff...


Im now running in CS and having more fun than i ever had because im still within the times i was running in STX and its costing me like 1/8th of the total.


and i get my butt waxed by Miata's

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I've only ever seen 1 or 2 SCC cars up here outside of the FLR champ tour. If you're looking for competition to drive against that may be something to think about.

The SSC suspension kit looks to be around $1800 and a set of wheels $800 on tire rack.

I was able to piece together the the bare minimum, coilovers, wheels and rear camber capability for ~$2000. It's competitive enough locally and I'm slowly adding pieces as time goes on. If I drove the car year round I would have went with a coilover that had stainless steel housings.
You can't run a partial kit in SSC, all in or your out.
I just added it up in tire rack with the cheapest wheels available and it's just a hair over $3k, toss in the crapcan muffler to get down to minimum weight and it's ~$3.3k assuming you buy new and don't need brake pads or more stylish/lighter wheels.

Nice thing though is you don't have to do a bunch of research on parts and overthink yourself while staring at online listings for crap you don't need.
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The SSC kit with new tires and wheels is right at $3g.


The tires are $200 a set less than re71r and last longer.


The time, money, and frustration I don't spend trying to keep up with the latest parts and setup adjustments is priceless.
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Not happy with fighting Focus RSí and Civic Type Rís , so I may have to chang classes to be competitive. How much have you spent on your STX and SSC cars. I drive my car year round and canít lower too much for winters. 2013 BRZ
I'm planning to run my 2020 bone stock in DS on conti ECS at the seneca army depot events, so you should have someone to beat if you do nothing. To start I might even run on the prius tires since they're brand new...
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FYI, the SSC tire for 2020 is undetermined. There is some kind of webinar at idontcare o'clock, so you might want to wait for that before determining a path forward buying tires.
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SCC is markedly cheaper due to the restrictions on what you can run

In STX i had well over 9 grand in components to stay competitive.

Titanium exhaust, custom tune on 91, over 3 grand in suspension components, another 2k for tires and wheels, brakes depending on if you have brembos or upgrade to something with a bigger pad ( though id swear up and down the stock non brembos are enough "pad" for autox) and you know the usual sorts of harness bar, harness, various bushings, braces, the karcepts bar.....

there's alot of juice to be drank if you want good stuff...


Im not running in CS and having more fun than i ever had because im still within the times i was running in STX and its costing me like 1/8th of the total.


and i get my butt waxed by Miata's
The term "to stay competitive" is a wonky term. You're relating spending money to going quicker. It's a slippery slope when you get to that point as you can get lost in the noise of "I need to spend this $$$$ to go faster" whereas really it's just perhaps looking at your driving style and seeing what you can do different.

Just IMO /shrug

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The SSC kit with new tires and wheels is right at $3g.


The tires are $200 a set less than re71r and last longer.


The time, money, and frustration I don't spend trying to keep up with the latest parts and setup adjustments is priceless.
I'd argue that trying to work around a compromised setup with inherit rear bar bind on tires that don't like multi-tasking is more frustrating.

Controversial opinion. There have been a number of top drivers within this sport that have jumped into an SSC car and struggled hard at finding speed. SSC requires a specific driving style that does not translate to any other class.
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I found SSC massively frustrating. In other classes, I haven't always been able to consistently find the pace of the top guys, but I was generally able to figure out what to change to improve the car. I found the SSC adjustments counterintuitive and every change was a massive compromise. ...and as I got more frustrated with the car, I lost confidence and focus and my performance got worse and worse.

With that said, most of the people I ran against seemed pretty content with the setup.
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I spent all of 2019 switching between by SSC car and a STX co-drive (literally every other event, including Nationals). Going from STX to SSC was awesome, and made driving the SSC car much easier. Going to other way though was ridiculous, and ended with many cone-hits and mistakes (STX just reacts quicker, and obviously is faster).


I enjoyed the SSC car once I figured out the setup and driving style, but STX is still way more fun.


Solely focusing on STX in 2020 thankfully.
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If you want a full to the limits STX Build, you will have 10k+ in parts after full suspension, /brakes, exhaust/tuning/weight reduction items(seats/battery/etc), and wheels.
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Thank you all for your insight and advice. True, I have only seen a couple of SSC last year. I run the Depot and with NEPA. STX just seems like a slippery lope. I’ll have to look long and hard. I definitely have a ways to go to find the limits of the car in its stock form. I may just do camber bolts and perhaps a stiffer bar up front, but not sure about the bar. Fearful of understeer like I had in my Miata before
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