2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[gymratter]

Toyota has never stated anything about production numbers. there was a germany article like 2 years ago that said between BMW and Toyota that 60,000 Z4s and Supras could be made each. sometime had pasted and that same source then went on to say that 10,000 or less Supras will be made annually. again, there has been no official press release with production numbers..

[86MLR]

Gladly Nissan said no to the 3 pointed swastika (Mercedes) for the next Z car.

Now that is something I am looking forward to in 2021/22.

[funwheeldrive]

I'm not holding my breath for the new Z car. If Nissan ever decides to make one it will probably be a hybrid.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm not hold my breath for the new Z car. If Nissan ever decides to make one it will probably be a hybrid.

Nissan - Innovation that bores you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm not hold my breath for the new Z car. If Nissan ever decides to make one it will probably be a hybrid.

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Nissan - Innovation that bores you.

If Nissan doesn't get off their ass across the board there may not be any 2021 models!
Maybe their sharing agreement with Renault will result in a Z car based on the Alpine. That could be really good or really really bad though.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm not holding my breath for the new Z car. If Nissan ever decides to make one it will probably be a hybrid CUV.

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[Tristor]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I too like Japanese cars made in Austria.

The new Supra is still a Japanese car. While it may have a BMW powerplant and be produced in a third-party factory in Austria, the tuning and development of the chassis is very Japanese. This is why I like Japanese cars, it's how they feel, it's the focus on finding balance over raw power. German and Japanese engineering focuses are actually not far off one another, except that the Japanese understand the value of being lightweight, and the Germans seem to never care how heavy it is. I abhor American cars, because they are almost universally unbalanced, relying on raw power over any semblance of balance.


There's a reason every car I've enjoyed driving has been Japanese, and even basic peasant commuter cars are more balanced. A lot of people never even give thought to these sorts of things when buying a car, but it's a major factory in Japanese automakers success I believe, as a balanced car feels more controlled and enjoyable, even to those who don't much care for driving.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gymratter

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[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tristor

The new Supra is still a Japanese car. While it may have a BMW powerplant and be produced in a third-party factory in Austria, the tuning and development of the chassis is very Japanese. This is why I like Japanese cars, it's how they feel, it's the focus on finding balance over raw power. German and Japanese engineering focuses are actually not far off one another, except that the Japanese understand the value of being lightweight, and the Germans seem to never care how heavy it is. I abhor American cars, because they are almost universally unbalanced, relying on raw power over any semblance of balance.


There's a reason every car I've enjoyed driving has been Japanese, and even basic peasant commuter cars are more balanced. A lot of people never even give thought to these sorts of things when buying a car, but it's a major factory in Japanese automakers success I believe, as a balanced car feels more controlled and enjoyable, even to those who don't much care for driving.

ehhhh its still very much German at its core. Its Japanese tuned, and Japanese exterior designed, but its still German engineered.

You can probably make this statement and it'd likely be accurate:
The BMW Z4 hardtop: Tuned by Toyota.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

A) Wish I still had my 97 Talon TSI AWD


B) I had no idea that new eclipse cross looked like an Aztek from behind.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

A) Wish I still had my 97 Talon TSI AWD


B) I had no idea that new eclipse cross looked like an Aztek from behind.

My 91 Talon TSi AWD was what switched me from muscle cars.


Ya I actually saw one on the highway and thought it was an Aztec for a minute.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Tristor

The new Supra is still a Japanese car. While it may have a BMW powerplant and be produced in a third-party factory in Austria, the tuning and development of the chassis is very Japanese. This is why I like Japanese cars, it's how they feel, it's the focus on finding balance over raw power. German and Japanese engineering focuses are actually not far off one another, except that the Japanese understand the value of being lightweight, and the Germans seem to never care how heavy it is. I abhor American cars, because they are almost universally unbalanced, relying on raw power over any semblance of balance.


There's a reason every car I've enjoyed driving has been Japanese, and even basic peasant commuter cars are more balanced. A lot of people never even give thought to these sorts of things when buying a car, but it's a major factory in Japanese automakers success I believe, as a balanced car feels more controlled and enjoyable, even to those who don't much care for driving.

Current generation Camaro is actually very well balanced. Yesteryear's blanket statements don't really apply anymore.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Current generation Camaro is actually very well balanced. Yesteryear's blanket statements don't really apply anymore.

Let alone the corvette, the Ford GT, Mustang, etc. etc.....

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

ehhhh its still very much German at its core. Its Japanese tuned, and Japanese exterior designed, but its still German engineered.

You can probably make this statement and it'd likely be accurate:
The BMW Z4 hardtop: Tuned by Toyota.

Not accurate at all. The Z4 only exists because BMW came to Toyota to ask Toyota what car they wanted to build. Period. BMW actually had no interest in making a Z4 successor based on the pathetic sales of the last gen and were fine to kill it off. The engineering hardpoints of the short wheelbase to wide track width and low CoG are all from Toyota's parameters for handling and turn-in response, not BMW's. Not to mention the new B58 has a different engine code with some Toyota revisions to enhance reliability.

People trying to pass off the Supra as a simple rebadged Z4 are just ignorant of the facts and what badge engineering actually is.

This joint venture was a way for two companies in a long term strategic partnership could produce low volume low margin cars that no corporate accountants would ever willingly rubber stamp in today's world. Instead of being cynical whiners, people need to appreciate what we can get in the world of electric golf carts, SUVs and crossovers.

Btw, if any of you haters have a hard on for getting a 'real' sports car, chevy has over 9,000 corvettes sitting in their inventory at 12k-18k discounts. Go grab one and tell your bros how you didn't buy a rebadged BMW like the other Toyota suckers.

Something else to think about. New Supra concept first appears in 2014. New Z4 concept appears in 2017.

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Current generation Camaro is actually very well balanced. Yesteryear's blanket statements don't really apply anymore.

Except for the fact that being 4000lbs still makes you a fat pig of a car...