Motortrend: 1989 BMW E30 M3 vs 2013 Scion FR-S vs 2013 Volkswagen GTI! - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

soodxn · 04-24-2013, 02:32 PM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3_nYbojfow"]1989 BMW E30 M3 vs 2013 Scion FR-S vs 2013 Volkswagen GTI! Head 2 Head Episode 31 - YouTube[/ame]

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shellslinger · 04-24-2013, 03:28 PM

Just saw it this morning and the english feller was quite annoying....

wootwoot · 04-24-2013, 03:34 PM

Price as tested on the GTI was 35K?! Did I read that right? If that's the case, F that thing. FRS all day long.

gatorbushmen · 04-24-2013, 03:53 PM

The GTI is front-wheel-drive.
FRS is rear.
Nuff said.

strat61caster · 04-24-2013, 04:05 PM

Nothing unexpected here, everything said is valid and makes sense.

It comes down to preference.

@Art_Mighty · 04-24-2013, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorbushmen

The GTI is front-wheel-drive.
FRS is rear.
Nuff said.

The GTI is embarrisingly faster than a stock FR-S, it's $10K more, it weights a lot more and it's FWD so it's not really a good comparision. The FR-S vs. the E30 M3 on the other hand has been a source a several threads all over the internet on the topic

mkiisupra · 04-24-2013, 04:12 PM

Anyone priced a decent looking, rust free E30 M3 lately? They are mostly north of $30k as well. How about finding body parts? FR-S wins again!

Eric G

gatorbushmen · 04-24-2013, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

The GTI it embarrisingly faster than a stock FR-S, it's $10K more, it weights a lot more and it's FWD so it's not really a good comparision. The FR-S vs. the E30 M3 on the other hand has been a source a several threads all over the internet on the topic

That's true. Add a decent forced induction setup and you'll have something faster than the GTI..... for less money.
That's my justification when people brag that they have a faster, yet more expensive car.....

Tanuki · 04-24-2013, 04:22 PM

People race fwd cars all the time. 90% of the people who make fun of fwd cars have never even seen a race track.

shellslinger · 04-24-2013, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

The GTI it embarrisingly faster than a stock FR-S, it's $10K more, it weights a lot more and it's FWD so it's not really a good comparision. The FR-S vs. the E30 M3 on the other hand has been a source a several threads all over the internet on the topic

I thought Randy Pobst got a faster time around the track than the GTI. Maybe I heard wrong.

Sco2355 · 04-24-2013, 04:42 PM

Both have valid points and both are great cars. At the end of the day though I traded in my modded MK6 GTI for my FRS as soon as the dealer called me with one in stock. Much rather my FRS for the fun factor and the big smile I get pushing it. The GTI was definitely faster in terms of speed but it did feel "boring".

DarkSunrise · 04-24-2013, 04:57 PM

It's like asking whether a 335i or S2000 CR is the better car. At VIR, the 335i ran a 3:13, whereas the S2000 CR is 2 seconds slower at 3:15. So the 335i runs faster laptimes, has more torque, is more comfortable, more practical, seats 4, and has a safer handling balance. Does that make it a better car? Not even close.

I've actually got the exact cars in the review -- GTI w/DSG and FR-S w/6MT. Both are great, so it really comes down to what you're looking for. To me, the most telling thing is that I end up driving the FR-S everywhere. It's more than practical enough to be a daily driver, and is the more fun car to drive. And isn't that the point?

MattF · 04-24-2013, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

The GTI it embarrisingly faster than a stock FR-S, it's $10K more, it weights a lot more and it's FWD so it's not really a good comparision. The FR-S vs. the E30 M3 on the other hand has been a source a several threads all over the internet on the topic

I don't know what world a git cost 35-37 I got mine for 22500 brand new. Maybe if you get a completely speced out one but I thought they topped out at 30k. Now if you are talking a golf r I would believe the 35-37k price tag, but they are a different beast 256hp and awd.

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fatoni · 04-24-2013, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorbushmen

That's true. Add a decent forced induction setup and you'll have something faster than the GTI..... for less money.
That's my justification when people brag that they have a faster, yet more expensive car.....

thats a very dangerous way of thinking for an frs owner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattF

I don't know what world a git cost 35-37 I got mine for 22500 brand new. Maybe if you get a completely speced out one but I thought they topped out at 30k. Now if you are talking a golf r I would believe the 35-37k price tag, but they are a different beast 256hp and awd.

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i am not even sure the golf r is on the gtis level if that makes any sense. yeah its fast but its pretty heavy and its awd system is pretty much junk from what i understand.

04-24-2013, 02:32 PM	#1
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gatorbushmen Amateur Drifter Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: '13 FRS Location: Saint Augustine Posts: 355 Thanks: 220 Thanked 222 Times in 72 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	The GTI is front-wheel-drive. FRS is rear. Nuff said. __________________ i like 2 drift https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvo...pU-TkCZZcTh61g

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