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Old 02-20-2020, 03:04 PM   #113
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Wow, the whole reason he was in charge of those projects from what I understood, was because he is Tada-san. I remember an article talking about how Toyota brass wasn't keen on his view of the twins. He built the test mule anyway and people test drove and loved it. Wasn't he also the one that convinced Toyota brass they needed to put the D4-S system on the car even though that meant basically showing Subaru their tech?
The vision of the car was around a while before he was assigned to it. The whole idea was from levels much higher than him. He was just the guy picked to lead the team. Apparently from the Toyota write up he didn't even know he was going to be assigned.


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Old 02-20-2020, 03:12 PM   #114
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That seems bizarre. Engineering projects typically carry a ton of tribal knowledge (undocumented), and that's why it's vital to keep some key people on through different generations of a project.
I know this is blasphemy to some but Tada as an individual could be replaced and still have very good results. He is the head of a team not the sole designer.
Not so sure it works out well when the whole team is replaced though!


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Wow, the whole reason he was in charge of those projects from what I understood, was because he is Tada-san. I remember an article talking about how Toyota brass wasn't keen on his view of the twins. He built the test mule anyway and people test drove and loved it. Wasn't he also the one that convinced Toyota brass they needed to put the D4-S system on the car even though that meant basically showing Subaru their tech?
Yeah, itís not only D4-S, but a lot of skills and knowledge. He help build better boxer engine... both Toyota & Subaru were stubborn & not willing to help each other. This is why 86 was delay few times. Him & his team have been mocked & laughed at. Some teammate couldnít take it & some quit midway before see the fruit of their work.

Now, Toyota is trying to cut off those PR ppl & let Tomoyama as main PR person. So after Tada-san is gone, we wonít find out who did what anymore.
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Old 02-20-2020, 03:21 PM   #116
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That seems bizarre. Engineering projects typically carry a ton of tribal knowledge (undocumented), and that's why it's vital to keep some key people on through different generations of a project.
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I know this is blasphemy to some but Tada as an individual could be replaced and still have very good results. He is the head of a team not the sole designer.
Not so sure it works out well when the whole team is replaced though!

Like Tcoat have stated, he didnít make 86 by himself. He had a team of people worked on this car... & like you & Tcoat said, they usually keep few staffs around for next gen, but 86 was very successful car no one expected, so all the higher up wanting honey from it, so they replaced all of em. Cuz all who were there are new or old (almost ready to retire), so they donít have any power or say other than Tada-san. Tada-san himself actually retired from Toyota & technically isnít Toyota staff anymore. He just contracted from Toyota.

This is why, I said Iím glad I own one already
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This is why, I said Iím glad I own one already
Iím curious if reassigning an engineering team has something to do with a change in direction for the platform. Perhaps they want to move to a electric/hybrid system. This could make sense since Toyota is trying to rebrand hybrids as performance cars and since Toyota and Subaru have teamed up for an electric global architecture.
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Iím curious if reassigning an engineering team has something to do with a change in direction for the platform. Perhaps they want to move to a electric/hybrid system. This could make sense since Toyota is trying to rebrand hybrids as performance cars and since Toyota and Subaru have teamed up for an electric global architecture.
People laughed at me every time I suggested this may be the way they were headed.
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Hell, Tada himself pitched the idea of a faster hybrid version to be more likely than a turbo when the 2012 was launched.
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People laughed at me every time I suggested this may be the way they were headed.
I think I got the same comments, but ever since Toyota announced the hybrid Rav4 as the top performance trim and why that concept was their new direction for marketing hybrids, I figured a hybrid powertrain could be in the works soon than later.
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The vision of the car was around a while before he was assigned to it. The whole idea was from levels much higher than him. He was just the guy picked to lead the team. Apparently from the Toyota write up he didn't even know he was going to be assigned.


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I seem to recall the last project Tada san worked on was the Sienna. And before that the Camry? As far as i remember, he didnt actually work on any sports cars until the 86....
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I seem to recall the last project Tada san worked on was the Sienna. And before that the Camry? As far as i remember, he didnt actually work on any sports cars until the 86....
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Would Subaru be involved with an electric Toyota? My humble opinion is that there will be no next generation 86. I dont see a reason for it.
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Would Subaru be involved with an electric Toyota? My humble opinion is that there will be no next generation 86. I dont see a reason for it.
Haven't we been through this before? Toyota made an official press release that they would be working with Subaru to build a new Gen. In that very same release they also said they would be teaming up to make new EVs. There is no grey area in those statements.

Toyota and Subaru Agree on New Business and Capital Alliance
Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership.

Ever since concluding an agreement on business collaboration in 2005, partnership between Toyota and Subaru has included contract production by Subaru of Toyota vehicles and supply by Toyota of vehicles to Subaru, as well as joint development of the rear-wheel-drive Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ sports car models.

Also, with vast changes enveloping the automotive industry, which is being called on to respond to the new domains of CASE (connected, autonomous/automated, shared, and electric), Toyota and Subaru disclosed in June this year that they have agreed to jointly develop a platform dedicated to battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and to jointly develop a BEV model, both of which will employ Subaru's AWD technologies and Toyota's vehicle electrification technologies.

In this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation, by strengthening their bonds and aligning their capabilities, Toyota and Subaru aim to pursue driving enjoyment in the CASE era and to make ever-better cars beyond what either company has been able to achieve thus far. Furthermore, to deepen their relationship and to strengthen their ties toward advancing to the next stage while respecting the identity of each other's brand, the two companies have agreed that Toyota will increase its equity stake in Subaru and that Subaru will acquire shares in Toyota.


Details of business activities in the new alliance
In pursuit of making ever-better cars beyond that achieved thus far by Toyota and Subaru
Bringing together both companies' strengths to jointly develop all-wheel-drive models that offer the ultimate sensation in all-wheel driving
Joint development of the next-generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ
Expansion of the scope of partnership to survive this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation
Following the Crosstrek Hybrid*, expanding use of the Toyota Hybrid System in other Subaru models
Cooperation in the domain of connected vehicles and technical collaboration in the field of autonomous driving
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