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Old 03-28-2012, 06:51 AM   #15
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Its been a while since I've paid attention to lexus but isn't the avalon a much bigger car than the ES? I always thought the avalon was more on par with the GS or even the LS
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I have a feeling it will be a concept with some inspiration of the FR-S to get attention. Once the production version comes out it will look nothing like the FR-S.
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Well yeah, but that makes the Avalon in its current iteration absolutely redundant.

I never get why those two existed since they're both luxo-barges based off the same car lol, might as well just either redefine the role of th Avalon or cut it loose completely.
Avalon is larger than ES, and it starts 4K cheaper. It's the poorman Lexus for Toyota money.
FYI, ES is based off Camry chassis while Avalon is based off stretched Camry's chassis. However, saying ES is the same as Camry or Avalon is completely arrogant. I have driven both ES and Camry from generation to generation and before facelift Avalon. ES is the class where Camry or Avalon can't come close (for the same generation).
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Yeah I think the BMW E36 318 was the last one, not sure.

Also not sure why you're quoting me. I was just trying to point out that if a 4dr FR-S is made it wouldn't be designed by a U.S. designer as the article points out. Not sure what that has to do with your reply.
RWD 4 cyl on sale today.

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Totally forgot about BMW going back to a 4cyl.
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Yeah I think the BMW E36 318 was the last one, not sure.

Also not sure why you're quoting me. I was just trying to point out that if a 4dr FR-S is made it wouldn't be designed by a U.S. designer as the article points out. Not sure what that has to do with your reply.
I thought you were talking about the US market not US designers, my bad.

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