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Old 04-25-2017, 07:04 PM   #1163
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Old 04-26-2017, 01:51 AM   #1164
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I agree, there really is no need for an oil cooler with a proper setup. I found that once I recalibrated the improper OEM oil temp sensor calibration, I've never seen high oil temps.

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Oil cooling properties of the ace intake seem exteme.

Maybe deliceous or counterspace guys can clarify ?
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Old 04-26-2017, 07:24 AM   #1166
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I don't see how it could effect oil temps that much on a stock setup, but for those of us running the Jackson Racing oil cooler/rad combo it'll be bitchin'.

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We do not recommend you remove your oil cooler.

We do not use one and have not used an oil cooler since October 2015.

Please see latest video with AMB/ACE aero kit on our youtube channel. It's not the easiest to see the oil and water temp guages but the information is there.

This scoop has been paired with the Jackson Racing oil cooler/radiator and it works very well we've been told.

We are drawing the line at showing all our data to confirm everything. We just don't have the staff to do this for every item we have. Doesn't mean we won't ever show findings again, just not for every item.

Anybody running anything built by ACE knows that if we make it, it is going to be functional and as efficient as possible.

We love the feedback from everyone and look forward to the community's comments and criticism. For this $200 item, please use common sense to see it's benefits. Or, if Delicious Tuning wants to release the data logs or one of our customers that's up to them.

Here's a photo of the engineers who designed this and the fields in which they work.

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Old 04-26-2017, 10:19 AM   #1168
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We do not recommend you remove your oil cooler.

We do not use one and have not used an oil cooler since October 2015.

Please see latest video with AMB/ACE aero kit on our youtube channel. It's not the easiest to see the oil and water temp guages but the information is there.

This scoop has been paired with the Jackson Racing oil cooler/radiator and it works very well we've been told.

We are drawing the line at showing all our data to confirm everything. We just don't have the staff to do this for every item we have. Doesn't mean we won't ever show findings again, just not for every item.

Anybody running anything built by ACE knows that if we make it, it is going to be functional and as efficient as possible.

We love the feedback from everyone and look forward to the community's comments and criticism. For this $200 item, please use common sense to see it's benefits. Or, if Delicious Tuning wants to release the data logs or one of our customers that's up to them.

Here's a photo of the engineers who designed this and the fields in which they work.

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Ok there is a very important piece of information that was omitted in the original posting that taken at face value was very suspect which is that you are running the JR combo rad/oil cooler so you still have oil cooling. With something like this, it makes perfect sense that it would eliminate the need for a stand-alone oil cooler so people running a stand-alone rad should still run an oil cooler as well.

I think that you need to be very careful of statements like the one in question, they need to be qualified or people will jump to the wrong conclusion like they did here.
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Old 04-26-2017, 10:40 AM   #1169
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I am surprised to see so many people worked up about such a general statement.

I don't doubt that ace has found that in the current weather conditions that their car for its current needs doesn't need an oil cooler. It has a nice forced air pathway to the radiator that then pushes the hot air directly out the hood vent, which will greatly reduce engine bay temperatures. They may also be running shorter sessions, etc. They even said they don't recommend this as an end all fix. However, with such good forced air venting, it doesn't seem a far stretch at all to think oil temperatures could be lower.

Also, I would generally think people considering this part are far enough along in their car development that they can easily monitor their oil temps to see whether or not this would eliminate the need for an oil cooler in their situation.
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Ok there is a very important piece of information that was omitted in the original posting that taken at face value was very suspect which is that you are running the JR combo rad/oil cooler so you still have oil cooling. With something like this, it makes perfect sense that it would eliminate the need for a stand-alone oil cooler so people running a stand-alone rad should still run an oil cooler as well.

I think that you need to be very careful of statements like the one in question, they need to be qualified or people will jump to the wrong conclusion like they did here.
I think they are saying someone else paired this with the JR combo and it works well, not them.
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Old 04-26-2017, 12:19 PM   #1171
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We do not recommend you remove your oil cooler.

We do not use one and have not used an oil cooler since October 2015.

Please see latest video with AMB/ACE aero kit on our youtube channel. It's not the easiest to see the oil and water temp guages but the information is there.

This scoop has been paired with the Jackson Racing oil cooler/radiator and it works very well we've been told.

We are drawing the line at showing all our data to confirm everything. We just don't have the staff to do this for every item we have. Doesn't mean we won't ever show findings again, just not for every item.

Anybody running anything built by ACE knows that if we make it, it is going to be functional and as efficient as possible.

We love the feedback from everyone and look forward to the community's comments and criticism. For this $200 item, please use common sense to see it's benefits. Or, if Delicious Tuning wants to release the data logs or one of our customers that's up to them.

Here's a photo of the engineers who designed this and the fields in which they work.

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I do not want to seem needlessly argumentative, but I am using common sense. How does increasing airflow through the radiator have any effect on oil temp? Unlike many other platforms, the coolant and oil systems are not linked on the FT86. I can pretty easily show you countless examples of cars with coolant temp perfectly in check but oil temp in thermal runaway after a few mild laps, and none with oil temp as low as 110*c without a cooler in a race application. If you really have discovered some kind of secret sauce to control oil temps with out a cooler you'll sell one easily at twice the price to every track bro on here, but it's going to need some data to back it up. As it stands, you're here telling us that a well documented, well known issue on this platform is solvable in a way that is not sensible to anyone who has spent a bit of time on track with one of these and offer no data to back it up. Hence all the skepticism. Hey @CSG Mike, how do you feel about the need for oil cooling?

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I think they are saying someone else paired this with the JR combo and it works well, not them.
Thanks, it seems that I did misread that. That said, I don't have a lot of stake in this because I don't run an oil cooler at all despite attending approximately 4 track days per year...
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I do not want to seem needlessly argumentative, but I am using common sense. How does increasing airflow through the radiator have any effect on oil temp? Unlike many other platforms, the coolant and oil systems are not linked on the FT86. I can pretty easily show you countless examples of cars with coolant temp perfectly in check but oil temp in thermal runaway after a few mild laps, and none with oil temp as low as 110*c without a cooler in a race application. If you really have discovered some kind of secret sauce to control oil temps with out a cooler you'll sell one easily at twice the price to every track bro on here, but it's going to need some data to back it up. As it stands, you're here telling us that a well documented, well known issue on this platform is solvable in a way that is not sensible to anyone who has spent a bit of time on track with one of these and offer no data to back it up. Hence all the skepticism. Hey @CSG Mike, how do you feel about the need for oil cooling?
You missed the part about where they paired it up with an oil/water heat exchanger... (Jackson Racing dual radiator/oil cooler).
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You missed the part about where they paired it up with an oil/water heat exchanger... (Jackson Racing dual radiator/oil cooler).
No, they didn't. They said someone else did, but that their own car hasn't had one since 2015.
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You missed the part about where they paired it up with an oil/water heat exchanger... (Jackson Racing dual radiator/oil cooler).
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You missed the part about where they paired it up with an oil/water heat exchanger... (Jackson Racing dual radiator/oil cooler).
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