OpenFlash Tablet

[jebuwh]

Perfect. I'm going to run it almost completely out of gas and fill it up out of a drum. So it should be like e82 or e83 haha.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by zinzan

I have an Automatic and running a stock engine with no current plans to modify. Will I still benefit from OFT?

-Z

Yes it will improve a stock car

see thread here

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61463

Horsepower gains on stock car are not big but drivability is improved, especially low/midrange.

Gives option to run E85 on stock car and access to "free" tunes if you ever add bolt on bits at a later stage.

Open flash Tunes are based on later ROM which have fixes for idle, transient knock problems which some dealers are reluctant to reflash for you for some reason

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by Captain Insano

Yes. Reference stg1 91-93 oct map dyno results.

You make it sound easy. There are so many threads mentioning this product that finding a particular dyno chart is like looking for a needle in a hay stack.
I ordered one (ships today ) on quotes alone as I don't think I ever found the dyno for an otherwise stock vehicle.

[86viper]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

You make it sound easy. There are so many threads mentioning this product that finding a particular dyno chart is like looking for a needle in a hay stack.
I ordered one (ships today ) on quotes alone as I don't think I ever found the dyno for an otherwise stock vehicle.

We had a bunch of stock cars run on our dyno day (low reading)

Stock cars Ran an average of 105rwkw but varied between 102 to 110rwkw depending on how they were run in and number of km. (older cars and cars run harder made more power)

The e85 cars with boltons were in the 125 to 135rwkw range, the stage 1 pump oft's were around 115 to 118rwkw.

For comparison a supercharged car made 138rwkw, turbo cars made between 150rwkw and 230rwkw.

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by 86viper

We had a bunch of stock cars run on our dyno day (low reading)

Stock cars Ran an average of 105rwkw but varied between 102 to 110rwkw depending on how they were run in and number of km. (older cars and cars run harder made more power)

The e85 cars with boltons were in the 125 to 135rwkw range, the stage 1 pump oft's were around 115 to 118rwkw.

For comparison a supercharged car made 138rwkw, turbo cars made between 150rwkw and 230rwkw.

These cars seem to like being run hard.

[zinzan]

Originally Posted by steve99

Yes it will improve a stock car

see thread here

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61463

Horsepower gains on stock car are not big but drivability is improved, especially low/midrange.

Gives option to run E85 on stock car and access to "free" tunes if you ever add bolt on bits at a later stage.

Open flash Tunes are based on later ROM which have fixes for idle, transient knock problems which some dealers are reluctant to reflash for you for some reason

Still a good buy on an 93 Octane Daily Driver (stock AT)? No big complaints about current driveability, but would be happy to see/feel a smoother idle/ride, smaller torque dip, and maybe a little more power when needed.

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by zinzan

Still a good buy on an 93 Octane Daily Driver (stock AT)? No big complaints about current driveability, but would be happy to see/feel a smoother idle/ride, smaller torque dip, and maybe a little more power when needed.

As someone who was happy with the power stock, I was impressed with the stage 1 tune and the extra refinement it offered.

Edit: I will go so far as to say this, with the Stage1 tune, the FA20 probably could have made the Wards 10 best list.

[86viper]

Originally Posted by Luckrider

These cars seem to like being run hard.

No doubt, how it effects the engines long term is yet to be known though, but it does seem that the harder you run it, the more power they make.

As much as 10% difference in power on totally stock cars! That's well above natural variance

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by 86viper

No doubt, how it effects the engines long term is yet to be known though, but it does seem that the harder you run it, the more power they make.

As much as 10% difference in power on totally stock cars! That's well above natural variance

I think it has to do with getting the rings to seat well and make good compression. I can't see it being a bad thing at all.

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by Luckrider

I think it has to do with getting the rings to seat well and make good compression. I can't see it being a bad thing at all.

I don't believe in thrashing a car during the first few hundred miles, but you shouldn't baby it either: you have to stretch the legs out once in a while.
I sometimes wonder if there isn't a break in timer on this car, like Dodge has on some of its vehicles where the ECU has a "limited power" mode for the first few thousand miles until the car is properly broken in by their standards. I know it sounds nuts, but I haunted a Challenger forum because I was considering going big car before I saw the FR-S and the regulars there swear that it's true.

[shif7i7down]

I do find it annoying that i have to drive around to have the ecu relearn after every oft flash, it makes it very slow to custom tune with the oft, unless there's some special way to reflash without relearn time that I didn't know about.

If anyone knows how to reflash without relearn time please let me know..

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by shif7i7down

I do find it annoying that i have to drive around to have the ecu relearn after every oft flash, it makes it very slow to custom tune with the oft, unless there's some special way to reflash without relearn time that I didn't know about.

If anyone knows how to reflash without relearn time please let me know..

what do you mean by 're-learn time'? the IAM rising from initial to one? if that's the case, just set the initial advance multiplier to 1. there is no other 'learning' that needs to take place to my knowledge.

[wparsons]

There is a small period where the ECU adjusts to the throttle pedal positions, but this doesn't affect WOT power, it just gives a bit of a softer throttle response until it has sorted out the learning.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by shif7i7down

I do find it annoying that i have to drive around to have the ecu relearn after every oft flash, it makes it very slow to custom tune with the oft, unless there's some special way to reflash without relearn time that I didn't know about.

If anyone knows how to reflash without relearn time please let me know..

IAM and cam angle sensors are the only "learning" that need to be done. Unless you happened to leave LTFT on at WOT in which you can disable. Cam angle is typically done within seconds and can be verified by blipping the throttle a few times and viewing VVT angle and confirming it is going to double digits.