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Old 07-18-2018, 11:26 AM   #2857
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I will maintain my standard skeptical stand on any comments made during these "interviews". They have been well known to misquote or outright make shit up.
I find it hard to believe that after all this time and all the speculation on this the fact there will be two versions of the Supra comes out of the blue during an interview.
Won't be long before we know the reality anyway. If I was mistaken in my OPINION I will be glad to say so.
I don't know how you read that paragraph and believe it's misquoted or made-up. If so, that writer is out of a job. It's surprisingly specific.
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Nah. Everything I've read says the Supra be ~3,400 lbs. With an estimated 350 hp, that's 4th gen Camaro performance (better handling and interior of course, but not great).
Nah, numbers don't mean shit. Can't compare american and Japanese engineering. Camaros are boats... I have a feeling the 4cyl supra will not be.
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Nah, numbers don't mean shit. Can't compare american and Japanese engineering. Camaros are boats... I have a feeling the 4cyl supra will not be.
True that numbers only go so far, but all he was doing was comparing those numbers, not trying to say the cars are comparable by any other means. He even called out that the handling and interior would be better, which it can't help but be considering the youngest 4th gen Camaro out there is pushing 16 years old at this point. Every aspect of technology involved in cars has come a long way since then, but 350hp and 3500 lbs was nothing to turn your nose up at back then, still isn't really, and the Camaro was far less of a boat than it has turned into after returning from its "hiatus". But I don't think he was trying to say they're comparable beyond having similar power to weight.
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I will maintain my standard skeptical stand on any comments made during these "interviews". They have been well known to misquote or outright make shit up.
I find it hard to believe that after all this time and all the speculation on this the fact there will be two versions of the Supra comes out of the blue during an interview.
Won't be long before we know the reality anyway. If I was mistaken in my OPINION I will be glad to say so.
Then you will be very interested in another interview that just happened. Notice that the wheelbase of the new Supra will be less than the 86 and will be "a more serious" sports car..... Hmmmmm..... So you really think Tada is making things up.... Hmmmmm.....

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ws&date=071818

With a shorter wheelbase, however, I don't see how they are going to fit in those jump seats in back... I think they are gone...
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It's easy to have a shorter wheelbase when you don't have to be a 2+2 car. And being a "more serious" car than another doesn't really indicate in any way that in is replacing the other.
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I've seen multiple people criticize the design for having all of these "fake vents" and styling. Well, turns out they're there for a reason... It seems some are covered stock but can be removed "in case the user wants to make a racing version."

EDIT: Removed the link as it's probably not reliable info.

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I don't know how you read that paragraph and believe it's misquoted or made-up. If so, that writer is out of a job. It's surprisingly specific.
They usually are.
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Then you will be very interested in another interview that just happened. Notice that the wheelbase of the new Supra will be less than the 86 and will be "a more serious" sports car..... Hmmmmm..... So you really think Tada is making things up.... Hmmmmm.....

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ws&date=071818

With a shorter wheelbase, however, I don't see how they are going to fit in those jump seats in back... I think they are gone...
We knew the wheelbase was shorter many months ago. That is not news.


And where is his mention of a 4 in this "interview"?
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It's easy to have a shorter wheelbase when you don't have to be a 2+2 car. And being a "more serious" car than another doesn't really indicate in any way that in is replacing the other.
You're right, this has nothing to do with replacement -- I just thought it was an interesting factoid. It might also say that it will be as light as the 86. So I think that pricing may be key here. If the price of the 4 cyl turbo is in, let's say, the mid-30's, then replacing the 86 would make sense. If the price is in the mid-40's, then the 3 car argument does make sense. I just don't see Toyota being able to support 3 sports cars at the dealer level. There are a very large number of Toyota dealerships that will have to carry inventory...
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Tada has been saying all along that there would be 3 Toyota sports cars. Speculation has been that the MR2 would be making a comeback but I have always been skeptical of that. It makes a weird kind of sense that they would leave the 86 as the low end sports car, the 4 cylinder "Supra" as the middle sports car and the 6 cylinder Supra as the top of the line sports car. My guess is that the price ranges will be $30K for the 86, 42-45K for the 4 cylinder and 55-63K for the 6 cylinder.

There have been rumors all along that the Supra would be a turbo 4 and there were rumors that the Supra would be a turbo inline 6. Maybe both were correct. We will see in a few more months.

I do not believe for a moment that the Supra 4, if it indeed exist, is intended to replace the 86. It is simply going to be too expensive.
And way back when he first started saying that there was going to be the SFR in the mix. Where did that go? Are we now talking about a 4 car sports line up?
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True that numbers only go so far, but all he was doing was comparing those numbers, not trying to say the cars are comparable by any other means. He even called out that the handling and interior would be better, which it can't help but be considering the youngest 4th gen Camaro out there is pushing 16 years old at this point. Every aspect of technology involved in cars has come a long way since then, but 350hp and 3500 lbs was nothing to turn your nose up at back then, still isn't really, and the Camaro was far less of a boat than it has turned into after returning from its "hiatus". But I don't think he was trying to say they're comparable beyond having similar power to weight.
Right, and I am saying that even those "numbers" are incomparable. first of all 350hp@3500lbs. is probably wrong (For the 4cyl) but we obviously won't know until it comes out.
Also, Absolutely 350hp@3500lbs. is nothing to write home about when talking about an old american muscle car. However, imagine the same powere/weight ratio as a camaro delivered in as tight of a package as the FRS.. that to me, is something to write home about (Or "will be" I should say)
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You're right, this has nothing to do with replacement -- I just thought it was an interesting factoid. It might also say that it will be as light as the 86. So I think that pricing may be key here. If the price of the 4 cyl turbo is in, let's say, the mid-30's, then replacing the 86 would make sense. If the price is in the mid-40's, then the 3 car argument does make sense.
Tthe 86 is currently 2776 lbs.

You're saying that a 4 Cyl Supra with turbo components, probably some nicer interior and more rigid parts will be as light as an 86? Not likely. All the (rumors) about the Supra so far are that it would be ~3300lbs. No way it could lose 500lbs by switching out a 6 cyl for a 4 cyl.

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Toyota has supported 3 (different) sports cars at one time before.
Celica, MR2, and Supra in the early 90s.

86, 4 cyl Supra, and 6 cyl Supra are really only 2 different cars.
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Where is everyone getting this 3400lb figure from? Is it the Goodwood video? The SupraMKV forum leads me to believe the car will be closer to the 3100-3300 range, and 340 ish horsepower.

That’s not bad for something that is benchmarking against Porsches (lightweight+handling vs. raw power).

Anyone can make a big heavy car and slap a big V8 in to compensate. Heck, if Toyota wanted, they could make their own version of the new Lotus and use the same engine as the Camry. If it’s really 3400lbs...lol.


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And where is his mention of a 4 in this "interview"?
This interview was not about a 4 cyl version -- it was about the prototype. I guess you didn't get that.... And I guess EVERYONE on this forum knew about the shorter wheelbase. After all, who else spends day and night posting? If I would have spent all that time over the years immersed in this forum I might have known. I'll work harder in the future to catch up to the king of the forum who knows all and sees all....

And I'll watch for all of the firings and lawsuits against the publications that quote Tada.... Perhaps with all of his quotes, if not true, Tada will be fired??????

Back and forth aside, corporate decisions on the continuance of a product are done on a yearly, then quarterly, basis. They watch sales, run ROI analyses, calculate break evens, and also integrate with future plans. So on an existing line, information from even a year ago may not be relevant. Competition also plays a role. I suspect the introduction of the RF hurt 86 sales in the longer term. What is true today, may not have been true even 6 months ago. But new car introductions require lead times and CAPEX. They must be planned over the longer term. So the tidbits of information we get from internal sources (like Tada) do have relevance. But information on the declination of existing products are much less reliable because those decisions are generally shorter term, competitive product acceptance is not known, and sales may show a lot of short term variance.

Thus, no matter what what said about keeping an existing product even 6 months ago, the decision may well change based on current sales data. Current volume of the 86 is declining much more rapidly than a normal decay curve would predict. Thus the likelihood of the 86 being discontinued would be significantly increased. Also, in this case, as time evolves, the company can gauge the pricing on new products, like the Supra, and determine the cannibalization from existing brands. There will be a segment of Supra buyers, like me, who may purchase it instead of the 86 even with a significant upcharge.

For those reasons, I do think it is highly probable that the 86 will be discontinued over the next couple of years. Obviously, companies will not comment on product discontinuations because it would hurt sales. So there will be virtually no corroborative information.
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