Where are all the high lift/duration camshafts! - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

stevo585 · 03-25-2014, 08:38 PM

Been almost two years now and no one has developed a performance camshaft for the FA20 yet? Seems like a huge untapped market.

SportInjected · 03-25-2014, 08:46 PM

In never ending development...

Superhatch · 03-25-2014, 09:13 PM

I've also started a thread on this topic. There are some out there but the gains for the work don't seem justified yet. I think once we really dial in the best bolt ons and tunes the cam market will start to take off.

Unlike the 15 minute K20 cam change (http://cms.skunk2.com/id/377/15-Minute-K-Cam-Swap/) we basically have to pull the motor to do cams. That's a big deterrent if someone is going to pay to have them put in.

350matt · 03-26-2014, 03:37 AM

I think thats the main issue

unless you're prepared to put the revs up and risk blowing the motor then the gains from cams aren't worth the $1500 bill to pull the engine out and fit new items

as best I've seen so far is about 8 bhp from dev cams

and when a supercharger kit gives 80 bhp for $4000 you're better off putting the cash towards that

w00t692 · 03-26-2014, 11:43 AM

BTW, k20 camshafts took a solid 8-10 years to come to the market with stuff that was actually good. It was around 4 years before there was even a camshaft that didn't mess things up and make more power than stock cams.

Bolt-ons also came a LOOOOOOOOONG way in extracting power out of stock cams.

early k20 setups made 220-230 whp WITH cams

Now they make that with bolt-ons and camshafts have moved up to the 240-250 whp range.

You're definitely going to be waiting a while.

industrial · 03-26-2014, 12:13 PM

I think our best bet is TRD at this point. They are using a set of cams in their griffon car. Hopefully with their budget they figure out a way to make power that other manufacturers can piggyback off.

Cams will always be a big project on this car. I plan to do springs, valves, retainers, balancing and head work when I finally crack the block open to do the cams. Maybe even pistons and rods by then? Higher compression maybe? Who knows at this point.

ML · 03-26-2014, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by industrial

I think our best bet is TRD at this point. They are using a set of cams in their griffon car. Hopefully with their budget they figure out a way to make power that other manufacturers can piggyback off.

Cams will always be a big project on this car. I plan to do springs, valves, retainers, balancing and head work when I finally crack the block open to do the cams. Maybe even pistons and rods by then? Higher compression maybe? Who knows at this point.

ahh the illusive 250 hp na build

SmsAlSuwaidi · 03-27-2014, 12:57 AM

BC already has cams developed, already tested on a turbo application. They are now testing it on an NA application iirc

w00t692 · 03-27-2014, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi

BC already has cams developed, already tested on a turbo application. They are now testing it on an NA application iirc

doesn't mean they work well. Most people will probably be disappointed with the results of the first few camshafts that come out. I hope not, but it's probably not the case.

SmsAlSuwaidi · 03-28-2014, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by w00t692

doesn't mean they work well. Most people will probably be disappointed with the results of the first few camshafts that come out. I hope not, but it's probably not the case.

They work decently, dynos are somewhere around the forum

Jake_86 · 01-28-2015, 03:12 AM

http://www.superstreetonline.com/eve...to-salon-2015/

if case yall still looking

Captain Snooze · 01-28-2015, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake_86

http://www.superstreetonline.com/eve...to-salon-2015/

if case yall still looking

There is no listing on their website for the FA20 engine

cdrazic93 · 01-28-2015, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

There is no listing on their website for the FA20 engine

Usually parts come out before the website is updated, atleast from my experience waiting for parts.

celek · 01-28-2015, 10:04 AM

I have been investigating this subject for about a year.
I know of a few companies working on R&D but no solid results.
Our largest problem is valve to piston clearance. Even with HKS They say you MUST use their pistons with the cams. Probably because with stock pistons you mangle the internals.
I just put my order in for my pistons and allowed for future upgrades with a larger lift and duration. Hoping someone delivers in the near future.

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350matt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: toyota mr2/ Toyota GT86 Location: UK Posts: 438 Thanks: 3 Thanked 140 Times in 92 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think thats the main issue unless you're prepared to put the revs up and risk blowing the motor then the gains from cams aren't worth the $1500 bill to pull the engine out and fit new items as best I've seen so far is about 8 bhp from dev cams and when a supercharger kit gives 80 bhp for $4000 you're better off putting the cash towards that

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w00t692 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2008 Civic Si Location: United States Posts: 111 Thanks: 7 Thanked 29 Times in 24 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	BTW, k20 camshafts took a solid 8-10 years to come to the market with stuff that was actually good. It was around 4 years before there was even a camshaft that didn't mess things up and make more power than stock cams. Bolt-ons also came a LOOOOOOOOONG way in extracting power out of stock cams. early k20 setups made 220-230 whp WITH cams Now they make that with bolt-ons and camshafts have moved up to the 240-250 whp range. You're definitely going to be waiting a while.

03-26-2014, 12:13 PM	#6
industrial Add lightness! Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 17' WRX Location: Boston Posts: 1,253 Thanks: 380 Thanked 888 Times in 411 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think our best bet is TRD at this point. They are using a set of cams in their griffon car. Hopefully with their budget they figure out a way to make power that other manufacturers can piggyback off. Cams will always be a big project on this car. I plan to do springs, valves, retainers, balancing and head work when I finally crack the block open to do the cams. Maybe even pistons and rods by then? Higher compression maybe? Who knows at this point.

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