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Old 04-25-2012, 06:32 AM   #15
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...looks like the difference in gear ratios between manual and automatic transmission versions might help explain the difference in EPA mileage estimates...
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:00 AM   #16
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I cant believe people still hold MT EPA estimates as relative to actual MPGs. Wake up, produce one reasonable vehicle that has a better "real world" (thats where you are driving right? Yeah, not EPA land) AT vs MT.

Then again we are talking MPGs on a performance car, its like wanting a light 12ga with low recoil.... Under given cirumstances the relationship is a cause and effect.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:35 AM   #17
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Why is the 5th gear 1:1? Damn you Toyota. I dislike having to use premium on a car that will be my DD and I've resigned myself to that fact. Now the MT gets poorer MPG than the AT version because different ratios were chosen. WTF
Seriously? You do realize that moving the 1:1 gear to fifth means you have closer spaced 1-5 gears, right? It's basically a close-ratio gearbox, which means you'll have a better selection of gears for accelerating out of corners. Also the gearing on the manual is going to be much different than the automatic, where 4th is your 1:1. Personally, I'd rather have an awesome close ratio gear box at the cost of MPG...
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:16 PM   #18
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Seriously? You do realize that moving the 1:1 gear to fifth means you have closer spaced 1-5 gears, right? It's basically a close-ratio gearbox, which means you'll have a better selection of gears for accelerating out of corners. Also the gearing on the manual is going to be much different than the automatic, where 4th is your 1:1. Personally, I'd rather have an awesome close ratio gear box at the cost of MPG...
I understand that, though I never felt Toyota's gearboxes needed closer ratios. They have needed a better final gear so that when I'm cruising down the highway at 70+, the car doesn't need to be at 3300rpm or higher. Never mind the fact that, when on the track, I'm never going to get to the 5 gear - 4 gear maybe on larger tracks with long straightaways and sweeping corners. The torque curve on this car is rather broad and flat, so I don't expect that this car will require searching for the right rev band.
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I don't understand the "Standard Audio System." It says 300W and then it says 160W. Which is it?? Please advise.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:56 PM   #20
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I don't understand the "Standard Audio System." It says 300W and then it says 160W. Which is it?? Please advise.
They are including the 140W amp in the total.
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They are including the 140W amp in the total.
Dadhawk beat me to it. That's also why you'll see that the bespoke may be advertised as a 340 watt system

200 for the bespoke HU + 140 for the amp
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They are including the 140W amp in the total.
Oh cool! This system has the numbers, but not the looks lol. Saddddd
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radio

Agree about the standard radio... it is the most b*tt ugly radio I've seen in a long time. Good features but ugly ugly.
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Agree about the standard radio... it is the most b*tt ugly radio I've seen in a long time. Good features but ugly ugly.
Yup. They couldve just given us a regular Toyota headunit, like in Corollas or something, and included the amp and aux setup. But noooooo, someone got high at the conference table and let this pass.
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No Scion Security (factory alarm) option? I wonder if it will arrive later?

I hate having hack job car alarms installed by independent shops.
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Thanks for the post Ichi!

So only 48 lbs. difference between the AT & MT. So the AT tranny must be fairly light. And only a 4 lbs. difference between the FRS & BRZ is good to know too.
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anyone have further details on the CAI, lower springs, or 18" rims?
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I'm down for a 6 spd auto and supercharged please! Days of driving stick on long ass day to day drives must and need to be over! Lolz...
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