PLM Long Tube Header

[e1_griego]

I bought the grimmspeed thing for my nameless header and the buyer didn't want it.

Happy to sell it to someone here. Had to grind it down a bit to fit inside the 2.5" overpipe, but it's much more elegant than a hard 3"> 2.5" transition.

[ort895]

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k

No it's not. Stock is around 2.3" 60mm, and even smaller where it is crush bent and twisted.

Ahhhh

[Kwaziekeller]

I've had this header for a few months now. Initially I had an issue with the header gaskets (used the ones provided by PLM). I ordered some from Grimmspeed and haven't had any issues since. I'm also running the Grimmspeed 3" to 2.5" adapter (without issues or modifications needed). My exhaust is the PLM header, Motive Concepts OP, Catless resonated Invidia FP, Invidia N1 CB. I had my car re-tuned by Graham from FT86 Speed Factory (stg1 tune to a stg 2 93oct tune). Haven't dynoed the car, not sure if I will any time soon, but its definitely noticeable and I haven't had any issues with the header.


I did attempt to paint the header with VHT Flameproof header paint. I scuffed the header with a red scratch pad, applied their self etching primer, then their flat black paint. I followed the instructions on the can for the "on car" curing, but the flat black paint is flaking and peeling... that primer is stuck on there though. To anyone else wishing to attempt these products... I'd recommend allowing the primer to dry completely, then scuff the primer to help adhesion.

[ort895]

Really want to pair this with my works ABM...hmmm

[witz]

PLM has a Black Friday Sale starting today until Cyber Monday! 35% off all products on

You gotta use the coupon code

BF35MS

[X00]

Can you show a link of which specific grimspeed 3 to 2.5 adapter you got? Thanks!

[NotTakumi]

PLM header to Nameless OP/FP to TRD cat back.
TRD intake.
OFT v4.3 Stg2+ OTS tune.

No drone, plenty of power.

Header has been on the car, uncoated, unwrapped, for 60k+ miles of daily, AX, and track use.

No issues.



Does Nameless make a better product?
Yes. Higher quality materials.
Welds are the same quality however.

Is the Nameless three times better?
No.
Is there a justification for Nameless to sell out to Cosworth and allow their product to be offered for $2k?
No.

Would I have purchased the Nameless header if it had been offered at a different price?
Yes.

I could justify spending $800 or so on the header, just like I justified spending $850 on their OP/FP. However, $1200 is not justified, and because they had sold out to Cosworth by the time I was looking at headers, I sure as hell couldn't justify spending what they want for it.

[Lantanafrs2]

Are nameless/cosworth headers even available?

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by NotTakumi

PLM header to Nameless OP/FP to TRD cat back.
TRD intake.
OFT v4.3 Stg2+ OTS tune.

No drone, plenty of power.

Header has been on the car, uncoated, unwrapped, for 60k+ miles of daily, AX, and track use.

No issues.



Does Nameless make a better product?
Yes. Higher quality materials.
Welds are the same quality however.

Is the Nameless three times better?
No.
Is there a justification for Nameless to sell out to Cosworth and allow their product to be offered for $2k?
No.

Would I have purchased the Nameless header if it had been offered at a different price?
Yes.

I could justify spending $800 or so on the header, just like I justified spending $850 on their OP/FP. However, $1200 is not justified, and because they had sold out to Cosworth by the time I was looking at headers, I sure as hell couldn't justify spending what they want for it.

PLM is only cheaper because they steal the designs from the companies that put the R&D dollars into the original product...

[NotTakumi]

Originally Posted by wparsons

PLM is only cheaper because they steal the designs from the companies that put the R&D dollars into the original product...

Really?

I hadn’t realized that after reading this thread, and seeing those concepts in practice throughout the automotive industry, along with literally every other form of industry.

Nameless opened themselves up to lose to the knock offs by thinking they would ever recoup their R&D expenses by selling their product at a price that left most of the market searching for a cheaper alternative. Not that the R&D they did was worth the money they claim to have spent. By all accounts, their claims were terribly over hyped and they under delivered.

If they had priced their header at $800, they would have sold more of them.

It’s almost possible to justify the Nameless product being twice the price as the PLM, even though it flat out isn’t twice as good of a product, but there is no flaming way in all the layers of hell that is is three times as good, and worthy of a price three times higher.

That’s ludicrous.

To add insult to injury, they then take their product off the market, and give it exclusively to a company that then ups the price even further.

It’s almost like they are giving the finger to the very community they claim to support.

Seeing as how you can no longer buy their header from them, and the only way to get it is to go through Cosworth directly, who themselves may have stopped offering their products for the 86 platform, seeing as how no one bought them, it would seem that their plan has backfired on them completely.
They managed to get FT86SPEEDFACTORY to remove the PLM products from their site, but they also removed the Nameless products, and discontinued the Cosworth ones.

All they offer now is catted headers, and only HKS as their premium brand.

[Daemonomics]

Originally Posted by NotTakumi

Nameless opened themselves up to lose to the knock offs by thinking they would ever recoup their R&D expenses by selling their product at a price that left most of the market searching for a cheaper alternative. Not that the R&D they did was worth the money they claim to have spent. By all accounts, their claims were terribly over hyped and they under delivered.

If they had priced their header at $800, they would have sold more of them.

It’s almost possible to justify the Nameless product being twice the price as the PLM, even though it flat out isn’t twice as good of a product, but there is no flaming way in all the layers of hell that is is three times as good, and worthy of a price three times higher.

That’s ludicrous.

To add insult to injury, they then take their product off the market, and give it exclusively to a company that then ups the price even further.

It’s almost like they are giving the finger to the very community they claim to support.

Seeing as how you can no longer buy their header from them, and the only way to get it is to go through Cosworth directly, who themselves may have stopped offering their products for the 86 platform, seeing as how no one bought them, it would seem that their plan has backfired on them completely.

Imagine giving the finger, and adding insult to injury, to the vendors that put valuable time and resources into developing a quality product... By buying knock-offs and/or generally inferior products.

Do you want a solid product? Do you want continuous R&D and improvement to happen over time for your platform? Then pay up. Support the companies that are willing to support the platform, not the ones who are just trying to take advantage and make a quick buck.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by NotTakumi

Really?


If they had priced their header at $800, they would have sold more of them.

It’s almost possible to justify the Nameless product being twice the price as the PLM, even though it flat out isn’t twice as good of a product, but there is no flaming way in all the layers of hell that is is three times as good, and worthy of a price three times higher.

That’s ludicrous.

If you are over paying for a header, it is the PLM. They had pretty much zero R&D because they flat copied the Nameless header. How dense are you? You are paying 600 for 40 worth of materials mediocrely welded together. You think if PLM had the R&D costs of nameless they would be selling them for 800 bucks

Nameless is a very small company, it's not like they ripped off an HKS or Tomei.

[churchx]

One question - there are other cheaper headers but of original design out there, so why you had to choose one that is knock-off copy, not one of those, if, as you keep repeating, high price is reason to somehow justify your choice?
I can understand sometimes wish to still get like among best but at very tight budget and thus not always doing "righteous" things .. but at very least i'd keep hush and wouldn't try to actively promote my choice to endorse others to do same to hear some kind of encouraging to what i did wrong. If something ethically questionable is done, it doesn't need to be pushed to rest with naive hope that it will convert more of people to similar choices and thus make it more of common state of action and maybe less subjectively unethic at least in own eyes/consciousness.
One can by chinese "rebok" and "abibas", one can buy plethora of other knock-off products. But why preach that doing that was right? Use your header, ask for related technical questions, but please, leave out tries to justify that or converting more of others to follow your steps.

[Lantanafrs2]

If you're happy with the pipe, God bless you. I've got a used ofh myself and I am satisfied with it. No need to justify your purchase on a message board.