The End of Diesel Cars is Near?

[Mr.Impreza]

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/12/par...o-city-to.html

In a bid to cut air pollution, the cities of Paris, Madrid, Athens and Mexico City have agreed to ban diesel-powered vehicles by 2025.

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What you guys think? I personally don't like diesel cars and agree with this step forward.

Maybe after all this, than we will begin to see gasoline powered cars being banned...

"According to the major of Athens, Giorgos Kaminis, this ban on diesel vehicles is just the first step in totally banning cars from cities"

[i heart ricers]

2025

[Leonardo]

From a logistical standpoint. Diesel is what powers our supply chain. Ships, Trains, and semi-trucks are Diesel powered. These modes of transport are what bring food and supplies to the masses.

[strat61caster]

You'd have to be nuts to drive in those cities anyway. It's a token effort that will have almost zero environmental benefit in the grand scheme of things.

Cars will eventually move out of major cities due to congestion naturally as public transit and ride sharing improves. The only thing laws like this do is hurt a minority of gear heads (which will move out of the city if the laws affect them), stroke the egos of a few politicos, and drive ad-revenue to clickbait either praising or condemning the measure depending on what internet bubble you live in.

I don't condemn speeding up the process via governmental process, but singling out diesel is a half measure, might as well go all the way you pansies. Levy a congestion tax on all drivers like London does, tax all polluters equally whether you live in a city or not.

[jvincent]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Cars will eventually move out of major cities due to congestion naturally as public transit and ride sharing improves.

But how will you share a ride if there are no cars anymore?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by jvincent

But how will you share a ride if there are no cars anymore?

Nobody likes a pedant.

[jvincent]

Fair enough, but that's the kind of thing the various levels of government around here would actually say and mean it.

Good example, they have been adding reserved bike lanes downtown under the auspices of them being more safe. Except that the traffic consultants told them that what they were adding wouldn't actually be safe and there have been more accidents in less than a year, including some fatal ones, since the new lanes were added than there were in several years previously.

[Scrappydoo]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

You'd have to be nuts to drive in those cities anyway. It's a token effort that will have almost zero environmental benefit in the grand scheme of things.

Cars will eventually move out of major cities due to congestion naturally as public transit and ride sharing improves. The only thing laws like this do is hurt a minority of gear heads (which will move out of the city if the laws affect them), stroke the egos of a few politicos, and drive ad-revenue to clickbait either praising or condemning the measure depending on what internet bubble you live in.

I don't condemn speeding up the process via governmental process, but singling out diesel is a half measure, might as well go all the way you pansies. Levy a congestion tax on all drivers like London does, tax all polluters equally whether you live in a city or not.

But that means only the rich can travel because they can pay to pollute.

[Azzudien]

Next they will ban trucks entirely. Recently I was in China and asked a friend why all the trucks where lined up on the side of the highway. They are banned from entering the city until after 8:00pm to reduce road congestion. They have to be out by 6:00am or they are stuck parked all day in the city.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Scrappydoo

But that means only the rich can travel because they can pay to pollute.

That's different from the status quo how?

Gone are the days when a $50 jalopy or motorbike can take you across the country, washing dishes at diners to afford gas to the next state.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Nobody likes a pedant.

Is that why half the people on here hate each other? The forum (any forum) is rife with them/us.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Is that why half the people on here hate each other? The forum (any forum) is rife with them/us.

Yes.

[weederr33]

Just get rid of cows. That's half our problem anyway.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

You'd have to be nuts to drive in those cities anyway. It's a token effort that will have almost zero environmental benefit in the grand scheme of things.

Cars will eventually move out of major cities due to congestion naturally as public transit and ride sharing improves. The only thing laws like this do is hurt a minority of gear heads (which will move out of the city if the laws affect them), stroke the egos of a few politicos, and drive ad-revenue to clickbait either praising or condemning the measure depending on what internet bubble you live in.

I don't condemn speeding up the process via governmental process, but singling out diesel is a half measure, might as well go all the way you pansies. Levy a congestion tax on all drivers like London does, tax all polluters equally whether you live in a city or not.

I have spoken to Europeans who claim that diesel soot gets everywhere over there. Supposedly in some areas, you can wipe it off of a railing or a park bench and get black on your thumb. They don't have as strict emissions laws over there that the states has (the reason that VW got in trouble over here first and the reason that many of the European diesels are never brought to the states because they can't pass the EPA cycle). They are also running about 50% diesel ownership as opposed to our single digit rate of ownership or whatever tiny number it is, which is why you don't see this sort of an effect over here.


In reality, these large particles are less harmful than the smaller ones we aren't seeing that come from both gasoline and diesel tailpipes. They're still disgusting though, and they're not exactly good. I could see banning them based on that alone, with an exemption for heavy trucking.


I would think this would eventually extend to all internal combustion. Hopefully with an exemption for things like classics and weekend toys. A city environment is the perfect application for electric vehicles or hybrids with ICE range extenders that don't kick on very often. Even though the source of the electricity typically isn't green itself, at least you don't have a bunch of cars concentrating all of those emissions in the city.