2015 wrx tuned versus 86

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I could get an EG civic, gut it, throw in a K series, and dust off both cars. For a fraction of the cost.

Never really understood these threads. You can make any car faster than another with enough money. Both cars may be at the same price range, but were designed to do two very different things.

It's like a BMW 7 series and a Nissan GTR; Same price but completely different performance. Because they were designed to do completely different things.

What are you saying though? If i took the money and got a crx and put a b18c with forged internals and upped the compression you would look like a fool.

I troll... I troll...

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

TBH no 0-60 time on the internet is worth anything due to variables. I just wanted to point out that his 0-60 time was not the median or mean of all values given and plenty of people have hit 5 second and sub 5 second times, its the reason for the sti vs wrx mini controversy in 2015, there wasn't a big enough performance gap to justify the premium this generation.

This whole thread just seems silly. I just read something about an e85 brz being within feet of a focus rs.

no that was shitty cali 91, I wasn't on e85 at the time. Stock headers etc..

Jaden

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I could get an EG civic, gut it, throw in a K series, and dust off both cars. For a fraction of the cost.

Never really understood these threads. You can make any car faster than another with enough money. Both cars may be at the same price range, but were designed to do two very different things.

It's like a BMW 7 series and a Nissan GTR; Same price but completely different performance. Because they were designed to do completely different things.

The point is new for new dollar for dollar. 169$ tactrix, and some e85 makes our cars even with a new wrx...Throw on a 500$ header and it wins handily.

People have constantly said how slow our cars are and ask why don't you just buy a wrx...

It's ten thousand more, it's a sedan and it handles completely differently is the answer. I was just adding in how easy and inexpensive it is to make it just as fast or faster in a straight line as well(although not necessarily from a dig).

Jaden

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Jaden

The point is new for new dollar for dollar. 169$ tactrix, and some e85 makes our cars even with a new wrx...Throw on a 500$ header and it wins handily.

People have constantly said how slow our cars are and ask why don't you just buy a wrx...

It's ten thousand more, it's a sedan and it handles completely differently is the answer. I was just adding in how easy and inexpensive it is to make it just as fast or faster in a straight line as well(although not necessarily from a dig).

Jaden

But a wrx isn't 10k more and mod for mod the wrx widens the gap substantially. I think it's cool to argue the cars do different things but it gets odd making that point but still try to argue its speed.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I could get an EG civic, gut it, throw in a K series, and dust off both cars. For a fraction of the cost.

Never really understood these threads. You can make any car faster than another with enough money. Both cars may be at the same price range, but were designed to do two very different things.

It's like a BMW 7 series and a Nissan GTR; Same price but completely different performance. Because they were designed to do completely different things.

[Deep Six]

Stock vs stock both with performance package $2,500 difference in price. The WRX is light years faster around a road course.


15LL1Subaru WRX Performance Package (2018)3:11.5
16 LL1Honda Civic Si (2017)3:14.6
17 LL2Mini Clubman John Cooper Works (2017)3:16.0
18 LL1Fiat 124 Spider Abarth (2017)3:16.9
19 LL1Subaru BRZ Performance Package (2017)3:19.7

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Went and checked and yeah WRX isnt 10K more. What was I thinking then? I think when I was buying my car, I wasn't considering the WRX. I figured if I go that way, may as well go all out and get the STI and that's what I compared it to. A base STI is 10K more. But yeah, damn a base WRX is priced exactly the same as my 86 actually and comes with 4 doors, all wheel drive and more power. Don't get me wrong, I love my car and I'd still take it over the WRX. Didn't realize the pricing was damn near identical.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Deep Six

Stock vs stock both with performance package $2,500 difference in price. The WRX is light years faster around a road course.


15LL1Subaru WRX Performance Package (2018)3:11.5
16 LL1Honda Civic Si (2017)3:14.6
17 LL2Mini Clubman John Cooper Works (2017)3:16.0
18 LL1Fiat 124 Spider Abarth (2017)3:16.9
19 LL1Subaru BRZ Performance Package (2017)3:19.7

What would it be if instead of the 3500 on the performance package you spent that on decent wheels and tires and a flex fuel system?

For God's sake people stop comparing them stock to stock. I didn't realize they were the same price but even still, I'll take the gorgeous twins over the ugly heavy wrx every day.

Jaden

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

Went and checked and yeah WRX isnt 10K more. What was I thinking then? I think when I was buying my car, I wasn't considering the WRX. I figured if I go that way, may as well go all out and get the STI and that's what I compared it to. A base STI is 10K more. But yeah, damn a base WRX is priced exactly the same as my 86 actually and comes with 4 doors, all wheel drive and more power. Don't get me wrong, I love my car and I'd still take it over the WRX. Didn't realize the pricing was damn near identical.

It isn't really, the base wrx is laughably barren with features. Unless something changed. They had halogen lights on the "premium" in 2017. The WRX is a bargain but by the time you get one that looks like a respectable modern vehicle you could have just gotten an STI.

[Twinz]

Originally Posted by Deep Six

Stock vs stock both with performance package $2,500 difference in price. The WRX is light years faster around a road course.


15LL1Subaru WRX Performance Package (2018)3:11.5
16 LL1Honda Civic Si (2017)3:14.6
17 LL2Mini Clubman John Cooper Works (2017)3:16.0
18 LL1Fiat 124 Spider Abarth (2017)3:16.9
19 LL1Subaru BRZ Performance Package (2017)3:19.7

Just clicked the BRZ link to see what tires they used and saw them talking about water on the track.

The stock tires are fun but slow.....very slow. -then add water and I expect an AWD car to shine over RWD and FWD

Tires make a bigger difference than any other part you put on a car. I would spot someone 50hp, and a nice set of coil-overs, if they ran our prius tires and let me run a stock Twin on RE71's or Rival 1.5's. (At least on a course with a lot of turns)

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Jaden

What would it be if instead of the 3500 on the performance package you spent that on decent wheels and tires and a flex fuel system?

For God's sake people stop comparing them stock to stock. I didn't realize they were the same price but even still, I'll take the gorgeous twins over the ugly heavy wrx every day.

Jaden

The gap would be even bigger

[Summerwolf]

This is all conjecture anyways. Almost any numerical test proves the wrx a better performer unless some serious work is done to the twins and its a stock wrx.

Stock (latest gen) those cars are 13.6-13.7 at 100-102..... I have seen a lot of BOOSTED twins barely eeking out mid 13s at varying trap speeds so.... yeah.

[deejaylew]

I just want to know what we are comparing this time, I'm lost. He said e85 BRZ to Stage 2 WRX. Which was probably the most asinine thing that has ever been on these boards. Now we are letting him change the mods in question and we are keeping the WRX stock.

Lets do this until he comes up with a winning combo.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

This is all conjecture anyways. Almost any numerical test proves the wrx a better performer unless some serious work is done to the twins and its a stock wrx.

Stock (latest gen) those cars are 13.6-13.7 at 100-102..... I have seen a lot of BOOSTED twins barely eeking out mid 13s at varying trap speeds so.... yeah.

Did you even read the article in the op. There are claims of stock wrx's making 13.8 passes, but A) again that is from a dig and B) the article states that they couldn't get better than 14.2 from stock and 13.9 from a stage 1 cobb tuned wrx.

Sure there are boosted twins that are in the low to mid 13's but there are boosted twins that make only 220whp and a full exhaust with e85 can do the same..

Jaden