"gah FRS/BRZ are so slow, if only they had like 50 more hp"

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by shishand

...........but you quoted my comment out of context lol.. i think old farts are those that constantly claim this car is perfect as it is, and when some young kid makes a remark about this car, they get there panties in a bunch. basically fixed mindset..

Nice build btw, would love to hear that engine!!

Yep,...... ...... I have a bad habbit of doing that a lot .....

Next time one of those old cudgers gives you a hard time about modifying your car, ask them if they ever:

* hung anything from their rear view mirror
* had "flipper" or "moon" hubcaps
* put "skirts" on their car
* had a "spinner" on the steering wheel
* put lowering blocks under the rear springs
* heated the front coil springs (to lower the car)
* burned out glasspacked mufflers before installing
* installed glass packs backwards (intentionally)
* put on "port-a-walls"
* reversed the wheel rims
* drilled out the jets in their carburetor
* ran without the air cleaner
* milled a head
* added a vacuum gauge to the gauge cluster
* added a tachometer
* installed "blue dot" tail lights
* installed a "ugga-horn"
* put a "rake" on a car (lowering the front end only)
* added a "spotlight"
* pulled out the choke, while driving through a burger place (made any car sound like it had a "cam")
* colored lights in the grill
* installed a "bar" grill
* added a reveberator along with a rear speaker
* added a "cut out" to the exhaust pipe
* added traction masters (to a car with a powerglide transmission)
* and we can't forget the "fuzzy dice"

Just ask-em .... that outta shut em down .....

humfrz

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Yep,...... ...... I have a bad habbit of doing that a lot .....

Next time one of those old cudgers gives you a hard time about modifying your car, ask them if they ever:

* hung anything from their rear view mirror
* had "flipper" or "moon" hubcaps
* put "skirts" on their car
* had a "spinner" on the steering wheel
* put lowering blocks under the rear springs
* heated the front coil springs (to lower the car)
* burned out glasspacked mufflers before installing
* installed glass packs backwards (intentionally)
* put on "port-a-walls"
* reversed the wheel rims
* drilled out the jets in their carburetor
* ran without the air cleaner
* milled a head
* added a vacuum gauge to the gauge cluster
* added a tachometer
* installed "blue dot" tail lights
* installed a "ugga-horn"
* put a "rake" on a car (lowering the front end only)
* added a "spotlight"
* pulled out the choke, while driving through a burger place (made any car sound like it had a "cam")
* colored lights in the grill
* installed a "bar" grill
* added a reveberator along with a rear speaker
* added a "cut out" to the exhaust pipe
* added traction masters (to a car with a powerglide transmission)
* and we can't forget the "fuzzy dice"

Just ask-em .... that outta shut em down .....

humfrz

I am an old codger who has been modifying cars since the 70s and I have not done any of those things. Well, except for hanging a parking pass from my rearview mirror if you want to count that. I do stuff like:


Now get off my lawn you snot nosed kids!

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Rampage

I am an old codger who has been modifying cars since the 70s .........

Now get off my lawn you snot nosed kids!

Sorry, Rampage, you are too young to qualify as an "old codger", ..... unless you got a late start in messen wich cars. I'm talking the 40s and 50s here .....

BTW, impressive list of mods on the MR-2 .....

humfrz

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Sorry, Rampage, you are too young to qualify as an "old codger", ..... unless you got a late start in messen wich cars. I'm talking the 40s and 50s here .....

BTW, impressive list of mods on the MR-2 .....

humfrz

Dude! I will be 60 in March. All those guys you are talking about are dead! Well, maybe not all of them are dead but I do not think there are many on this forum!


BTW, Thanks.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Dude! I will be 60 in March. All those guys you are talking about are dead! Well, maybe not all of them are dead but I do not think there are many on this forum!


BTW, Thanks.

Oh, my, ........ sir, you must have me confused with someone younger ..... I'm over 70 years old ....

That happens a lot, just before I struggle to climb out of my FR-S, and the folks get a look at what's left of my short, gray hair, while peering over my tri-focals and adjusting my suspenders.

Oh, BTW, I'm not dead ...... just last week, my Doctor said I still have blood pressure and a pulse.

Where is old @whaap for this discussion, we need an opinion from one of our "seniors" .....

It's all good ......

humfrz

[whaap]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Oh, my, ........ sir, you must have me confused with someone younger ..... I'm over 70 years old ....

That happens a lot, just before I struggle to climb out of my FR-S, and the folks get a look at what's left of my short, gray hair, while peering over my tri-focals and adjusting my suspenders.

Oh, BTW, I'm not dead ...... just last week, my Doctor said I still have blood pressure and a pulse.

Where is old @whaap for this discussion, we need an opinion from one of our "seniors" .....

It's all good ......

humfrz

Sorry to take so long to respond. I just got off the phone calling the incontinence hot line and the damn operator asked me if I could hold!!

For this old farts two cents worth read post #6 on page #1.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by whaap

Sorry to take so long to respond. I just got off the phone calling the incontinence hot line and the damn operator asked me if I could hold!!

For this old farts two cents worth read post #6 on page #1.

........ ..... AND the price of "Depends" just went up again ....

Yep, I read your post and agree .....

humfrz

[SkitterSkotter]

I was driving home today and my car just felt fast as hell. I loved it. After reading about the new 458 special I really wonder what this engine would be like with the same 14:1 compression and a slightly raised 8k redline... Please cosworth, make this occur. This car is/should be N/A, let's just build off a good thing.

[Hanni_0176]

Originally Posted by SkitterSkotter

I was driving home today and my car just felt fast as hell. I loved it. After reading about the new 458 special I really wonder what this engine would be like with the same 14:1 compression and a slightly raised 8k redline... Please cosworth, make this occur. This car is/should be N/A, let's just build off a good thing.

While I will likely be looking at a small twin scroll turbo in a few years, I like the idea of a high-performing N/A build. Stroker kit, Cams, higher compression, higher redline, etc. I'm just not sure if it would be enough for what I eventually want out of the car.

On the other hand, the FA20 has proven to respond well to boost so far, and a small twin scroll turbo would have minimal (insignificant) turbo lag. Just gotta figure out how to reduce the heatsoak enough to be minimal too...

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Straight races are boring. Stomp gas and go. No thrill in that.

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Sure.. You Keep telling yourself that..

[Hanni_0176]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Sure.. You Keep telling yourself that..

Sraight line acceleration isn't boring, and there is some thrill to stomping the gas and running to redline through the gears... but it doesn't compare to carving through corners. You still get to enjoy straight line accel during corner exit and up until you have to get on the brakes for the next turn... but the experience is much more dynamic. When to start braking, how hard to brake, heal/toe, proper gear selection, correct driving line, throttle modulation during cornering, when/where to go WOT during corner exit, etc. There's a reason why games like Gran Turismo are popular, and why there aren't any successful racing games that have you running down a drag strip over and over.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

Sraight line acceleration isn't boring, and there is some thrill to stomping the gas and running to redline through the gears... but it doesn't compare to carving through corners. You still get to enjoy straight line accel during corner exit and up until you have to get on the brakes for the next turn... but the experience is much more dynamic. When to start braking, how hard to brake, heal/toe, proper gear selection, correct driving line, throttle modulation during cornering, when/where to go WOT during corner exit, etc. There's a reason why games like Gran Turismo are popular, and why there aren't any successful racing games that have you running down a drag strip over and over.

Well we aren't talking about video games here.. My last car was most entertaining during straight line runs and capable on a road course as well..
I love the handling of this car and all.. But to say there is no value in straight line accel.. Is just ignorant and wrong.. The only reason I went to a slower performance car was purely one of economics... Not because straight line speed is boring or worthless as some are trying to believe..

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

But to say there is no value in straight line accel.. Is just ignorant and wrong..

To YOU. To 99% of the motoring public, including myself, there is little value to being able to accelerate to 60 in less than ~8 seconds on public roads. I do have a car that can do it in ~3.5, but I've probably never done it in less than 6.5 on the street.

The only reason I went to a slower performance car was purely one of economics... Not because straight line speed is boring or worthless as some are trying to believe..

Aren't you "trying to believe" that what is important to others must be identical to what (you think) is important to you? This is not the case...

If acceleration is that important to you, you could sell the FR-S and buy an LS1 F-body that's about 1.5 seconds quicker and 13mph faster in the 1/4, and have plenty of cash left over to offset the increase in fuel cost for many years to come!

[Hanni_0176]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Well we aren't talking about video games here.. My last car was most entertaining during straight line runs and capable on a road course as well..
I love the handling of this car and all.. But to say there is no value in straight line accel.. Is just ignorant and wrong.. The only reason I went to a slower performance car was purely one of economics... Not because straight line speed is boring or worthless as some are trying to believe..

I only brought in the video game comparison because it is was the easiest way to paint the picture of comparing the difference in driving dynamics.

To each his own, though. Some people enjoy drifting the car more than they do trying to make fast lap times. Some people enjoy straight line accel. Neither option is wrong, just different. And some people enjoy doing all 3 (like me)