Toyota to Unveil GR HV SPORTS concept at Tokyo Motor Show 2017

[Jegan_V]

I'm actually pretty open with regards to the engine, I ultimately don't really care what it is so long as it won't give me trouble. Be it functionally or during the drive. Toyota hybrids have proven to be pretty robust, and having driven a few hybrid and electric cars I do know there's potential for them to be fast and fun.

Based on this concept though, I need the 2+2 layout so right off the bat this can't replace my current car as I utilize that 2+2 layout a lot even if there's nobody in the back. If this wasn't an issue I would've already had either a S2000 or MX-5. So already I'm a no if this is the future 2nd gen. I bought a FRS because I wanted a sports car, but that 2+2 meant I could use it in the event of needing an emergency sedan. A big reason I like our cars is because its one of those few sports cars where you can use it as your primary car and not need some secondary car to make up for some practical shortcoming. At the end of the day I needed a car rather than a toy, but its really nice when that car can also be that toy car.

As for that gear lever, interesting take but I suspect if I ever drove this then that gear lever will ultimately do nothing. When I drive any automatic, my automatic response is to be lazier. Its why I'm not a paddle shifter guy, I try it once and go "ok that's how it works" and then forget it ever existed. I get no thrill out of them and its likely why I resort to leaving it in D 99.9% of the time. This even happened during the test drove of our cars. I drove the auto first and thought wow this is a good auto box, tried the paddles they shift very fast for an auto, and then I realized the rest of the test drive I never called on them ever again. Whereas the traditional manual, I simply like using it.

Biggest problem I see with how the current concept is, its basically trying to sell us on the idea of a hybrid MX-5. I suspect those of us who would enjoy such a thing might've already jumped ship to a Mazda MX-5 as its much lighter and often faster than our cars are. It doesn't seem interested in selling to those of us who wanted a light weight RWD sports car yet needed that practicality to even convince us to buy. I actually wouldn't have bought my FRS if it was a strict 2 seater, which would've been a real shame because I have enjoyed owning one.

[Shinigami301]

I’m at the Tokyo auto show right now. Looks like we have a future for the platform. It’s clearly deriving from the 86 platform. Happy to see a possible future- and the crowd was dozens deep.

[extrashaky]

That hideous shitbox has already been discussed extensively here:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122495

It looks like a "futuristic" car from a low budget 80s sci-fi movie, probably starring Matthew Modine and Marc Singer. If that's "the future" of this platform, I want no part of it. Realistically (and thankfully) I seriously doubt that it will ever see production.

[Tcoat]

Concept car still remains a concept at this point in time.

[Slammillionaire]

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Slammillionaire

In fairness at least Shini is there and saw it in person.

[PetrolioBenzina]

The 17 86's nose looks good in comparison. If that is an actual Toyota vehicle, you can see they are going to go for a family resemblance with the Supra, or at least one version of it.

The people who styled the new Prius are all over it, one look at the rear shows that. Toyota has to "modernize" the looks right into the shitter with the rest of their cars.

[PetrolioBenzina]

I have the name for it, from English to Japanese online translation:

ひどいくそ
Hidoi kuso

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

The 17 86's nose looks good in comparison. If that is an actual Toyota vehicle, you can see they are going to go for a family resemblance with the Supra, or at least one version of it.

I bet the rear end is even more fugly. The people who styled the new Prius are all over it. The death of Scion will be seen as the death of this car's good looks now that Toyota has to "modernize" the looks right into the shitter with the rest of their cars.

Scion had nothing to do with the original looks of the car. It is a world wide platform and the design was the same everyplace else. The original front end matched the rest of the Toyota lineup in 2012. It just happened that the change to Toyota occurred at the same time as they went with the new styling across all the models. The new styling wasn't driven by the death of Scion since the whole lineup went to the new front in 17. It would have changed exactly the same if Scion was still around.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

In fairness at least Shini is there and saw it in person.

Poor guy. I've read you can minimize the effects of post traumatic stress disorder by playing video games soon after the traumatic event.*










*True story -- The video game mimics rapid eye movement from sleep and tricks the brain into moving the traumatic event out of short term memory into long term memory, thus preventing the patient from reliving the trauma of seeing that hideous piece of crap in person.

[Sport-Tech]

Relating to the post topic - just saw this on MT:

Though there were doubts whether Toyota and Subaru would continue their joint venture to make a second-generation 86 and BRZ, the two automakers “are already in discussion” to continue the rear-drive sporty coupe, said Shigeki Tomoyama, Toyota Motor Corp. senior managing officer.

If they plan to have a second-gen released to market in a timely manner (say in the next two to three years) they'd need to be well beyond "discussions" by this point. Maybe they will follow Nissan's example with the 370Z and keep the current gen in production for over a decade.

(If this quote is a repost my apologies.)

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Scion had nothing to do with the original looks of the car. It is a world wide platform and the design was the same everyplace else. The original front end matched the rest of the Toyota lineup in 2012. It just happened that the change to Toyota occurred at the same time as they went with the new styling across all the models. The new styling wasn't driven by the death of Scion since the whole lineup went to the new front in 17. It would have changed exactly the same if Scion was still around.

Perhaps I should have said that it now being a Toyota in the US has marked the beginning end of it being a great car. They will be unable to resist "improving" it right into the toilet for the US market.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Relating to the post topic - just saw this on MT:


If they plan to have a second-gen released to market in a timely manner (say in the next two to three years) they'd need to be well beyond "discussions" by this point. Maybe they will follow Nissan's example with the 370Z and keep the current gen in production for over a decade.

(If this quote is a repost my apologies.)

Much more interesting:

"Gazoo is now involved in tuning the Lexus “F” models, specifically the next-generation GS-F."

[funwheeldrive]

The Future = Hybrid powertrain and videogame style manual transmission