Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I want to clear something up about this issue.

The Vortech kit has about 20x the ownership base, more miles, more long term testing more transparency.

There are maybe 7-10 owners who have the Innovate installed and posting, probably half are vendors. Not once has anyone posted any logs or data aside from base dynos. Your largest tuners don't even have enough people with the kit yet to start tuning properly. (Soon)

It is also non-intercooled, and thats a big question mark, namely without testing or logs being supplied. Point is the grass is greener you won't know about the bugs of the Innovate kit for months.

You are correct, @Dezoris . And, I completely agree with what you are saying. However, just looking at twin screw vs centri...price of the two...maintenance (even something as simple as changing a belt)...ease of installation...the Innovate still looks like a better solution for me.

I'm definitely not knocking you or the Vortech kit. In fact, I think you've done a phenomenal job with your videos and telling it like it truly is. I honestly wish you could do the same for the Innovate kit, before I jump into it all. Your videos have made me scrutinize everything much more. So, a huge thanks to you for all your hard work.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

Not only that, but hearing all of the installation pains of the Vortech...and now the belt issues (idler pulley, intake tube rubbing, etc...), the Innovate kit is looking much more appealing.

There is a lot more but I digress. Don't want to start another forum war with fanboys or people emotionally and illogically justifying their purchase.

Originally Posted by Dezoris

At the high rpm the innovate is running out of steam while the Vortech is pulling stronger. Then the shifts take place and that pattern happens all over again. Like you said makes sense right?

Wouldn't say run out of steam due to it being sized by the pulley but yes the vortech gains in the high rpms and even more if the rev limiter is raised..

Please post the video, sw20kosh seems to be a fairly no nonsense good natured dude

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

You are correct, @Dezoris . And, I completely agree with what you are saying. However, just looking at twin screw vs centri...price of the two...maintenance (even something as simple as changing a belt)...ease of installation...the Innovate still looks like a better solution for me.

I'm definitely not knocking you or the Vortech kit. In fact, I think you've done a phenomenal job with your videos and telling it like it truly is. I honestly wish you could do the same for the Innovate kit, before I jump into it all. Your videos have made me scrutinize everything much more. So, a huge thanks to you for all your hard work.

No problem. No offense taken. And it is true, the Innovate offers ease of installation, and thus far some very appealing initial results. It's VERY attractive. I sent a request to @mine13 to get a test unit so we will see if he gets back to me. But we are so early on aside from the usual tuners spouting horsepower numbers, we don't have quality data on the kit being publicly shared yet.

I am glad sw20 is posting some media on it. This product however is so new, early adopter is not even a fair word for it. You are a beta tester.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by s2d4

There is a lot more but I digress. Don't want to start another forum war with fanboys or people emotionally and illogically justifying their purchase.


Wouldn't say run out of steam due to it being sized by the pulley but yes the vortech gains in the high rpms and even more if the rev limiter is raised..

Please post the video, sw20kosh seems to be a fairly no nonsense good natured dude

I have to get his approval as its technically his property
Tuning is everything really, you can get more power with trickery and timing on both kits. I just want to compare a solid base up to the motors peak HP area of 7000RPM

[Simmons]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Cool!

I definitely think the 0-60 could be way better with a proper driver. I'll try launching at 3k rpms rather than 4k.

Definetly, I am able to get 5.7-5.8 0-60 without forced induction.

Practice makes perfect


Simmons

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I have to get his approval as its technically his property

Go for it! Should be entertaining. :happy0180:

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Go for it! Should be entertaining. :happy0180:

Ok cool I have to install by pink racing stripes first and 20 foot wing for an extra 100HP to make it fair.

I will post it up tonight.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I sent a request to @mine13 to get a test unit so we will see if he gets back to me.

I am glad sw20 is posting some media on it. This product however is so new, early adopter is not even a fair word for it. You are a beta tester.

I think it would be good thing for everyone to get a non biased 3rd party review for sure, especially one that has gone through both kits.
As for the beta tester, bullet developed the kit, alpha/beta tested it, sprintex then used their OEM production channels. I see innovate as the beta tester for you guys in the US judging by the amount of testing they did and still doing (perhaps kartboy as well, robi and sw20kosh are more like stress limit/tuner kit testers). Otherwise it would have been released much much earlier I think....
As for vortech, I see everyone on the old pulley setup as betas, even some of the initial new pulley guys too. You are probably even a beta tester for Perrin's tunes..

[JSC]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I have to get his approval as its technically his property
Tuning is everything really, you can get more power with trickery and timing on both kits. I just want to compare a solid base up to the motors peak HP area of 7000RPM

Not really sure what you're trying to prove. Seems you're just looking to stroke your epeen with "BIG NUMBERS"!!!

In the videos posted in this thread 4700 rpm in 2nd gear equates to 36 mph. 6200 rpm in 3rd gear equates to 74 mph. 5100 rpm in 4th gear equates to 73 mph. On the trip to Vegas for the 86 Expo I was cruising along at 103 mph in 6th gear and was only turning 3400 rpm with a stock motor.

In a real world application for normal everyday driving you'd probably see 7000+ rpms about .01% of the time, but hey....you can post screenshots of dyno runs with bigger numbers.

For some people it's not about who can post the biggest number. I just want to give my car that little extra that will make it even more fun to drive in real world situations. Have fun driving your car around locked in 1st gear.

[sw20kosh]

Dynojet graph posted

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=152

[Vonsamhain]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Dynojet graph posted

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=152

Nice curve for time trials and classed racing. I can see why robispec loves it. Keeps him in TTC with a strong flat top end. It performs like the vortech kit without the top end spike in horsepower pushing it to TTB.

[wrxgoose]

looks freaking sweet. damn I can't wait to get mine on

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by JSC

For some people it's not about who can post the biggest number. I just want to give my car that little extra that will make it even more fun to drive in real world situations. Have fun driving your car around locked in 1st gear.

I don't know if you are referring to me but I don't care about numbers.
In fact I run one of the more least aggressive tunes.

Here is the video, obviously this is not gospel but you can see exactly the difference between the kits. Both videos were shot in hot temps over 90F.
Almost identical HP, in every way I edited it removing the launch the Innovate has the edge midrange the Vortech takes it back from 6500-7200.

This is NOT to say what is better or worse just to compare how each car accelerates, so don't get all but hurt.

First video STOPs and both cars hit 80MPH at the same time same RPM.

The second video the Innovate is ahead at the end by a few MPH. Going to try a second edit tomorrow with a standing start.

Digital racing at its finest!

@sw20kosh
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUqKWHtL0"]Scion FR-S BRZ Innovate vs.Vortech Supercharger Acceleration - YouTube[/ame]

[swift996]

Why is @sw20kosh 's meth gauge moving?