Does the clutch fake you out?

[cdrazic93]

Did you try SS lines OP? your clutch lines might be bad.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Did you try SS lines OP? your clutch lines might be bad.

No. Everything is tip-top. Works as designed. IMHO, there isn't remotely enough pressure built up in this or most hydraulic clutch systems to warrant SS lines.

...but I feel ya. Good thought.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by Shutter

easy to drive, yes.

Easy to feel? F no

I hate the clutch in this car. There's about as much feeling from the clutch in this car as poking at the pedals with a broomstick.

As far as a clutch delay valve/type thing I dont think there is one. I just think the slave is too big, or the master is too small.

@Phantobe
After removing the spring, it does get stiffer...but you get used to it very quickly. Never once after removing the spring have I got into my car and thought, "gee, the clutch pedal sure is stiff"

I'd have to drive one before I committed to removing the spring lol. I know it will feel much more like a traditional clutch, but can you feel the clutch grabbing any better? Or does it just get rid of that feeling like my clutch has the consistency of a giant marshmallow?

I was actually about to make a thread like this very soon, cause I wasn't sure if I was the only one that was experiencing this. I feel like I have to concentrate too much to find the grab point & achieve a smoove start. On my motorcycles it was just, boom and boom. Not much focus involved, relied solely on muscle memory never stalled.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I'd have to drive one before I committed to removing the spring lol. I know it will feel much more like a traditional clutch, but can you feel the clutch grabbing any better? Or does it just get rid of that feeling like my clutch has the consistency of a giant marshmallow?

I was actually about to make a thread like this very soon, cause I wasn't sure if I was the only one that was experiencing this. I feel like I have to concentrate too much to find the grab point & achieve a smoove start. On my motorcycles it was just, boom and boom. Not much focus involved, relied solely on muscle memory never stalled.

^^^this^^^ every... friggin... time.

[pushrod]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Everyone having issues with driving smooth, have you tried adjusting the seat slightly? Maybe it's just your seating position throwing you off.

I don't find it hard at all to drive these cars smoothly, even in sandals or big heavy hiking boots.

^ This.

I've only stalled my car about 5 times since getting it in April, and most of those were while backing over humps/obstacles that I didn't know where there, with no throttle.

When I sit in my Sparco Sprint seat, which puts my arse about an inch off the floor, I sometimes am a bit sloppy on take-ups, but that's it.

[pushrod]

Originally Posted by woode

The clutch delay valve isn't something you buy.. it's already on the car. Many newer manual cars have them. It's part of manufacturers dumbing down the driving experience IMO.

Here is a post on how to remove the valve in an STI: (fwiw)
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/diy-mods...post-pics.html

Cars have had these since forever. It's a cheap way of providing a small amount of damping to the system.

I don't see much point in removing it. You can probably clutch in and out faster than the synchros could handle that shift speed as it is.

[Captain Snooze]

Sorry, I know this doesn't help and is perhaps inflammatory but I really don't know what the issue is.

[Stealthy]

After I got rid of the assistance spring the mushy feeling from the clutch after lowering the engagement point is gone. Wood recommend/10

[continuecrushing]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I'd have to drive one before I committed to removing the spring lol. I know it will feel much more like a traditional clutch, but can you feel the clutch grabbing any better? Or does it just get rid of that feeling like my clutch has the consistency of a giant marshmallow?

I was actually about to make a thread like this very soon, cause I wasn't sure if I was the only one that was experiencing this. I feel like I have to concentrate too much to find the grab point & achieve a smoove start. On my motorcycles it was just, boom and boom. Not much focus involved, relied solely on muscle memory never stalled.

You wont feel the clutch any better(as if we could feel it all before) but the squishiness is gone.

I'm in socal, so we could meet up one time if you want. Or, next car meet ask around haha

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Sorry, I know this doesn't help and is perhaps inflammatory but I really don't know what the issue is.

No offense taken at all. I guess there's an equally valid group of people who like the clutch setup.

Here's another way to describe what I'm used to. When the clutch starts to grab a little, I expect very little travel between that point and full engagement - nice & crisp.

Since I've been thinking about it, there are 2 exceptions I've experienced.

1. Truck clutch - feels like the Twin but it makes sense for a truck because the clutches are massive so they need to give the driver lots of leverage. That translates into more travel.

2. I've used up a few clutches in my motocross days. When the discs start to warp they feel similar.


So, browsing through the subaru parts catalog last night, I learned there are essentially 2 different slave cylinders and one master used on pretty much all their cars for the last 10 years.

The slaves have either a 3/4 or 13/16 bore. We have the big one so I'm hoping they otherwise share the same form because, wow, that would be a no-brainer. Fingers crossed.

[radroach]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Everyone having issues with driving smooth, have you tried adjusting the seat slightly? Maybe it's just your seating position throwing you off.

I don't find it hard at all to drive these cars smoothly, even in sandals or big heavy hiking boots.

Agree, I used to sit too close to the steering wheel and would mess up starts all the time and I just thought the clutch was acting up. Now I sit with the seat pushed all the way back and can drive the car much more smoothly.

[BuBlake]

Originally Posted by radroach

Agree, I used to sit too close to the steering wheel and would mess up starts all the time and I just thought the clutch was acting up. Now I sit with the seat pushed all the way back and can drive the car much more smoothly.

I had that problem, but maybe to more of an extreme. haha People used to get in the car and notice how much further I was forward than the passenger seat. I'm 5' 10", so my legs were bent slightly... I needed to feel like I was "on top of" the controls. I didn't feel like it was possible to drive with accuracy unless my arms were damn near pressed up against the steering wheel and had ridiculous leverage on the foot pedals... I was the epidemy of nervous.

Eventually I learned that driving like that did little other than give me headaches due to poor posture. Now I sit almost parallel with the passenger seat(which is all the way back against the rear seat) and am much more comfortable and confident in every aspect. Visibility, shifting, placement of car on road, judgement, everything improved.. I think being cramped up like that was choking off the blood supply to my brain, as now I very rarely have headaches like I used to. lol

Sorry for the ramble; I just want to recommend everyone to think about stepping out of their comfort zone with seat position to try something further back as it may greatly improve your driving experience.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by BuBlake

I had that problem, but maybe to more of an extreme. haha People used to get in the car and notice how much further I was forward than the passenger seat. I'm 5' 10", so my legs were bent slightly... I needed to feel like I was "on top of" the controls. I didn't feel like it was possible to drive with accuracy unless my arms were damn near pressed up against the steering wheel and had ridiculous leverage on the foot pedals... I was the epidemy of nervous.

Eventually I learned that driving like that did little other than give me headaches due to poor posture. Now I sit almost parallel with the passenger seat(which is all the way back against the rear seat) and am much more comfortable and confident in every aspect. Visibility, shifting, placement of car on road, judgement, everything improved.. I think being cramped up like that was choking off the blood supply to my brain, as now I very rarely have headaches like I used to. lol

Sorry for the ramble; I just want to recommend everyone to think about stepping out of their comfort zone with seat position to try something further back as it may greatly improve your driving experience.

I've changed it up a few times already...

Right now whats comfortable for me.

1) Elbows are very slightly bent when hands @ 9 & 3 position on the steering wheel (almost perpendicular to the steering wheel)
2) Sit fairly low, I can't see the end of the nose on the car.
3) Left foot is slightly bent when resting on the dead pedal.

I don't see how changing my seating position would change anything considering its not going to change how the clutch will feel.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I don't see how changing my seating position would change anything considering its not going to change how the clutch will feel.

It doesn't but that's ok. People are offering genuine advice.

Especially since the Old Guard knows this topic is almost as tired as the crickets threads, I was expecting to get a ton of one-liners like "totaled" or "get an automatic."

Cmon, are the trolls asleep?