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Old 08-06-2012, 04:10 PM   #1
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how bad is it for the e-brake to use it to start a drift...

will it wear it out quickly?
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:42 PM   #2
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Ur just wearing ur tires and rear breaks. Other then that it's just normal stress of spirited driving on ur car.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:48 PM   #3
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You should Only Use your Ebrake if you have your Hand Duct tapped to the steering wheel and drive an EG6
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I would think you could stretch out the cable. I know I did in my 92 Corolla back in the day. It was cheap to replace though.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:54 PM   #5
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will it wear it out quickly?
I called Toyota to ask about a clunking noise I hear from the e-brake when I engage it while the car is moving. I like to test the e-brake every once in a while to see if it is working and will slow the car.

Their answer was "Toyota does not recommend that the brake be used when the car is moving." So I asked about emergency use, and the guy reluctantly conceded that it could be used in an emergency. So then I asked about the Toyota-sponsored video of Ken Gushi using it in a drift video. That got the guy's attention and he urgently replied "that was for professional track use only." and he warned that they do not recommend drifting the vehicle.

So Toyota's "official" position is that it is a parking brake only, with possible use only in a dire emergency.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:57 PM   #6
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My hand brake will see many dire situations.....
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So Toyota's "official" position is that it is a parking brake only, with possible use only in a dire emergency.
Not to start an argument...

Calling it an "e-brake" is a misnomer. It really shouldn't be used as a way of stopping the car, just to keep it from moving. It doesn't apply the brakes the same way as pressing the pedal, so the pressure isn't nearly as good.

Or to lock up the rear wheels to initiate a drift. But I'm willing to agree with those above, you will likely stretch out your cable if its overused.
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So Toyota's "official" position is that it is a parking brake only, with possible use only in a dire emergency.
That's because you spoke to them with the 86 being a road car. Talk to TRD or just tell them it's a track-only car. If they were to say anything else, it could easily be twisted that they said it was perfectly safe to drift the car with the e-brake.

To answer the question, it really shouldn't be that much of a problem to use the e-brake to initiate a drift. Worst that happens is stretching it out, as others have said.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:27 PM   #9
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while the ebrake does work well, you can also downshift and let the clutch out pretty hard to kind of 'kick' the back end out. It doesn't lock it up but is slows the rear tires enough destabilize the chassis so you can get some rear out turn in. A well executed Scandinavian flick also does wonders.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:29 PM   #10
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I called Toyota to ask about a clunking noise I hear from the e-brake when I engage it while the car is moving. I like to test the e-brake every once in a while to see if it is working and will slow the car.

Their answer was "Toyota does not recommend that the brake be used when the car is moving." So I asked about emergency use, and the guy reluctantly conceded that it could be used in an emergency. So then I asked about the Toyota-sponsored video of Ken Gushi using it in a drift video. That got the guy's attention and he urgently replied "that was for professional track use only." and he warned that they do not recommend drifting the vehicle.

So Toyota's "official" position is that it is a parking brake only, with possible use only in a dire emergency.
Sounds about right. Ford went through this with one of their Baja models bending in half when customers used them for ramp jumping like in the commercials...Ford said it wasn't designed for that.

Or the service manager at one of my local Hondas that said I should never take my 2000 Civic Si over 6000rpm despite the fact that VTEC doesn't even start until 5800rpm and has an 8000rpm redline. Yes, he was saying VTEC should only be used for 150rpm total.

The moral of the story is that manufactures don't want you to use their cars as intended, and the people working for them don't know HOW to use them.
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The E-brake is a drum style of brake, while the service brakes are disc brakes. Both the E-brake and service brakes are housed in the rear using the same rotor. The raised center portion of the rear disc holds the E-brake which is mechanically activated, designed to work even if you get a hydraulic failure with the service brakes.
The clunking noise is from the shoes locking up against the drum. They kind of wedge against the drum once applied creating the clunk noise.
On the first picture you can see the larger center section of the rear
rotor that houses the parking brake components.
The second picture is an exploded view of all the parking brake components.
The shoes have brake material on them, once this wears out you will get
metal to metal contact and ruin the rotors. In order to check the shoes the rear rotor has to be removed, I do not believe this check is part of regular service.
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while the ebrake does work well, you can also downshift and let the clutch out pretty hard to kind of 'kick' the back end out. It doesn't lock it up but is slows the rear tires enough destabilize the chassis so you can get some rear out turn in. A well executed Scandinavian flick also does wonders.
i've heard of that method before too, but wouldn't it be bad for the clutch?

i know driving the car aggressively and sliding it is going to cause wear, but i don't want to do something that is going to wear that part out really fast. i would imagine down shifting and taking your foot right off the clutch would be bad on the tranny/clutch. i always blip the throttle in my fwd when downshifting otherwise it throws your head forward.
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It is often overlooked that any car will suffer worn or broken parts much faster when used beyond just spirited driving. All the hype surrounding the car I think leads the more naive and less experienced drivers into a false sense of security.

They might think "the car is made to be driven hard and not pussified."
(I nearly peed a little when I saw someone post that)
Well, of course, sure.
But at a price. This has never changed, and never will.
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The E-brake is a drum style of brake, while the service brakes are disc brakes. Both the E-brake and service brakes are housed in the rear using the same rotor. The raised center portion of the rear disc holds the E-brake which is mechanically activated, designed to work even if you get a hydraulic failure with the service brakes.
The clunking noise is from the shoes locking up against the drum. They kind of wedge against the drum once applied creating the clunk noise.
The first picture is an exploded viewm from an IS rear brakes, same style as the FR-S.
On the second picture you can see the larger center section of the rear
rotor that houses the ebrake components.
The shoes have brake material on them, once this wears out you will get
metal to metal contact and ruin the rotors. In order to check the shoes the rear rotor has to be removed, I do not believe this check is part of regular service.
Thanks for explaining that. I was driving today and for no reason whatsoever lifted the brake a tiny bit and heard the clunk. I was so confused as to why it would make this noise. My old cars had cable actuated disks or cable actuated drums not both. I didn't even know this style existed.

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