Lock out shifting from 3rd to Second when cold - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

redvee86 · 04-13-2023, 11:25 PM

Hi all,

I know there is a first gear lock out but I experience a lock out shifting from 3rd to Second when the car is cold. I will need to wait until the car speed is under 10kmph before it will let me engage second from third when cold. As it warms up the speed at which it lets me engage second goes up. For example after say 5mins, I can engage second at 20kmph. Once it is fully warmed up, there is no issue going into second. Is this normal or do I have a tranny issue?

Thanks!

humfrz · 04-14-2023, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redvee86

Hi all,

I know there is a first gear lock out but I experience a lock out shifting from 3rd to Second when the car is cold. I will need to wait until the car speed is under 10kmph before it will let me engage second from third when cold. As it warms up the speed at which it lets me engage second goes up. For example after say 5mins, I can engage second at 20kmph. Once it is fully warmed up, there is no issue going into second. Is this normal or do I have a tranny issue?

Thanks!

I wouldn't worry about it.

redvee86 · 05-24-2023, 11:27 PM

How best to then deal with the lockout of second gear when cold? I either have to slow down to under 10kmph to change into second or keep it in 3rd gear at low car speeds of around 10-20kmph. Second option is not good for the transmission right?

RToyo86 · 05-24-2023, 11:53 PM

What fluid and how old?

I've tried a couple different kinds and some work better/worse when cold.

redvee86 · 05-25-2023, 12:09 AM

It is a 2020 model. Not sure exactly what transmission fluid, but it would be whatever Toyota uses since it is serviced by the dealer.

RZNT4R · 05-25-2023, 06:08 AM

Gears aren't locked out, gotta rev match it. OE oil is meh.

redvee86 · 05-31-2023, 12:12 AM

I have tried rev matching with mixed success. When I set off in a rather cold morning, rev matching doesn't seem to work straight away. Is there a better oil i should use?

RZNT4R · 05-31-2023, 06:29 AM

Pretty much any high quality, modern, synthetic gearbox lube, not the OE GL-3 stuff.

I can only vouch for Amsoil MTG, other will speak for Motul Gear 300LS, Redline MT90... Take your pick.

NoHaveMSG · 05-31-2023, 11:08 AM

I don't recommend the Motul in colder climates, I think it is hard to get right now anyway. I didn't have good luck with it. Redline MT90 from the parts store works great.

Ohio Enthusiast · 05-31-2023, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I don't recommend the Motul in colder climates, I think it is hard to get right now anyway. I didn't have good luck with it. Redline MT90 from the parts store works great.

Exact opposite for me with Redline MT90 - works poorly in cold. I also never had an issue with the OEM fluid. Gonna try Amsoil next.

spcmafia · 05-31-2023, 11:31 AM

AMSOIL did the trick for me. I could start the vehicle in the cold mornings and drive right away without having to drive extremely conservatively or letting the car warm up for a few minutes.

NoHaveMSG · 05-31-2023, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Exact opposite for me with Redline MT90 - works poorly in cold. I also never had an issue with the OEM fluid. Gonna try Amsoil next.

Interesting, I have run it down to in the teens F and it's been good for me.

Decep · 06-07-2023, 10:33 PM

How cold does it get in Sydney? I'd think any fluid would be fine there. Don't overthink it and just double clutch into 2nd, OP. These transmissions are all cranky when it's cold out. It's just how they are.

Tokay444 · 06-08-2023, 10:35 AM

There is no such thing as second gear lockout.

04-13-2023, 11:25 PM	#1
redvee86 redvee Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2012 Sonic Blue 86 GTS AT Location: Sydney Posts: 26 Thanks: 17 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lock out shifting from 3rd to Second when cold Hi all, I know there is a first gear lock out but I experience a lock out shifting from 3rd to Second when the car is cold. I will need to wait until the car speed is under 10kmph before it will let me engage second from third when cold. As it warms up the speed at which it lets me engage second goes up. For example after say 5mins, I can engage second at 20kmph. Once it is fully warmed up, there is no issue going into second. Is this normal or do I have a tranny issue? Thanks!

05-31-2023, 11:31 AM	#11
spcmafia Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Drives: 2018 Subaru BRZ Location: Stonington, Connecticut Posts: 3,287 Thanks: 1,519 Thanked 4,144 Times in 1,989 Posts Mentioned: 24 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	AMSOIL did the trick for me. I could start the vehicle in the cold mornings and drive right away without having to drive extremely conservatively or letting the car warm up for a few minutes. __________________ “God gave me an okay mind, but a really good ass, which can feel everything in a car.” Nikki Lauda

06-07-2023, 10:33 PM	#13
Decep Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Drives: 2013 FR-S Series 10 Location: CA Posts: 1,073 Thanks: 172 Thanked 497 Times in 326 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	How cold does it get in Sydney? I'd think any fluid would be fine there. Don't overthink it and just double clutch into 2nd, OP. These transmissions are all cranky when it's cold out. It's just how they are. __________________ 2013 FR-S 10 Series ~75k (SOLD) RCE SS-1 Coilovers Corsa Catback Edelbrock Supercharger installed @ 50k

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Do I need to be extra careful when shifting 1-2 in cold?	lapsio	BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics	49	11-22-2021 10:27 AM
2018 cold shifting	konahic	BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics	29	02-28-2020 05:09 PM
Transmission shifting when cold?	jpilone	Engine, Exhaust, Transmission	112	02-22-2018 03:48 AM
Down shifting into 2nd gear when cold	Flame9020	Issues \| Warranty \| Recalls / TSB	27	12-22-2016 04:24 PM
Hard shifting into 2nd gear when cold	BMWDavid	BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics	35	06-24-2012 02:22 PM

05-24-2023, 11:27 PM	#3
redvee86 redvee Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2012 Sonic Blue 86 GTS AT Location: Sydney Posts: 26 Thanks: 17 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	How best to then deal with the lockout of second gear when cold? I either have to slow down to under 10kmph to change into second or keep it in 3rd gear at low car speeds of around 10-20kmph. Second option is not good for the transmission right?

05-24-2023, 11:53 PM	#4
RToyo86 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: 17 Asphalt 86 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,172 Thanks: 1,710 Thanked 2,217 Times in 1,132 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What fluid and how old? I've tried a couple different kinds and some work better/worse when cold.

05-25-2023, 12:09 AM	#5
redvee86 redvee Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2012 Sonic Blue 86 GTS AT Location: Sydney Posts: 26 Thanks: 17 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It is a 2020 model. Not sure exactly what transmission fluid, but it would be whatever Toyota uses since it is serviced by the dealer.

05-25-2023, 06:08 AM	#6
RZNT4R Professional Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2017 86 6MT Oceanic Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 789 Thanks: 17 Thanked 633 Times in 371 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Gears aren't locked out, gotta rev match it. OE oil is meh.

05-31-2023, 12:12 AM	#7
redvee86 redvee Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2012 Sonic Blue 86 GTS AT Location: Sydney Posts: 26 Thanks: 17 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have tried rev matching with mixed success. When I set off in a rather cold morning, rev matching doesn't seem to work straight away. Is there a better oil i should use?

05-31-2023, 06:29 AM	#8
RZNT4R Professional Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2017 86 6MT Oceanic Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 789 Thanks: 17 Thanked 633 Times in 371 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Pretty much any high quality, modern, synthetic gearbox lube, not the OE GL-3 stuff. I can only vouch for Amsoil MTG, other will speak for Motul Gear 300LS, Redline MT90... Take your pick.

06-08-2023, 10:35 AM	#14
Tokay444 Anti stance. Join Date: Feb 2016 Drives: 17 White 860. RCE Tarmac 2. RE-71RS Location: Not Canada Posts: 1,630 Thanks: 897 Thanked 958 Times in 547 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There is no such thing as second gear lockout.

User Name		Remember Me?
Password