Registry Thread: Failure After J02 Recall

[subaru]

Originally Posted by tanner

If anybody cares, I put this into Google Sheets... a little easier to see all of the failures and what not, so feel free to update/add any new failures.



https://tinyurl.com/y2hy5kx4

can we please get this list added to the post #1 so we can make this a functional place, thanks fellas!

[Gunman]

Originally Posted by trave9161991

They said they didn't have the cam gears off the cam so it wasn't their fault. The service manager also didn't know how timing works on an engine and kept telling me they timed it correctly even though I gave him plenty of evidence as to why he didn't. Called toyota back and asked them how I was supposed to get anywhere with a service manager that doesn't even know what he's talking about...

Debris in the OCV, or one of the passages that feeds the OCV or cam sprocket, can affect the oil pressure, and throw off the variable timing. My service tech explained the entire system to me, showed me how the timing is done, etc.

Also, the cam sprockets in early 2013's have a known issue, so potentially an oil pressure change, could affect an already failing sprocket, pushing it into complete failure.

[trave9161991]

Originally Posted by Gunman

Debris in the OCV, or one of the passages that feeds the OCV or cam sprocket, can affect the oil pressure, and throw off the variable timing. My service tech explained the entire system to me, showed me how the timing is done, etc.

Also, the cam sprockets in early 2013's have a known issue, so potentially an oil pressure change, could affect an already failing sprocket, pushing it into complete failure.

I don't think there would be debris in the solenoid as it's just an electrically driven plunger that pushes on the valve in the cam gear. I'm hoping I don't have debris in my cam passage that runs the length of it...

[Gunman]

Originally Posted by trave9161991

I don't think there would be debris in the solenoid as it's just an electrically driven plunger that pushes on the valve in the cam gear. I'm hoping I don't have debris in my cam passage that runs the length of it...

No, not the solenoid itself, but the oil system it controls.

[hellyvin]

Originally Posted by mswbrz

Where in Cali bro ?


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NorCal. Fremont

[Invisionthis]

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Update #3, Just got a callback from the Customer relations individual handling the case, they told me it's not their fault because of three different things, 1st of all the engine has over 100,000 miles and given the nature of sports cars most likely driven rough (Wasn't since I've owned it) 2nd, because it is a rebuilt title, reason for the rebuilt title is it got into a fender bender... have the documents to prove it as well, and if that's the case they shouldn't have done the recall in the first place, and 3rd they already had the toyota GM come out and look specifically for the "TB1217H" that ermax said in the other forum post, which doesn't make sense because the engine is put together (Check imgur link) and nobody said anything about the GM looking for that sealant until I said something. So they won't be covering it, I need a whole shortblock. Looks like we're going the legal route

[ThatCarGuyClayton]

2013 Scion FRS
66000 Miles roughly
Engine knocking
Roughly 1000
New York


I'll be finding out more this week.


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[maslin]

Originally Posted by Invisionthis

ttps://imgur.com/a/gW62hVz

Update #3, Just got a callback from the Customer relations individual handling the case, they told me it's not their fault because of three different things, 1st of all the engine has over 100,000 miles and given the nature of sports cars most likely driven rough (Wasn't since I've owned it) 2nd, because it is a rebuilt title, reason for the rebuilt title is it got into a fender bender... have the documents to prove it as well, and if that's the case they shouldn't have done the recall in the first place, and 3rd they already had the toyota GM come out and look specifically for the "TB1217H" that ermax said in the other forum post, which doesn't make sense because the engine is put together (Check imgur link) and nobody said anything about the GM looking for that sealant until I said something. So they won't be covering it, I need a whole shortblock. Looks like we're going the legal route

Toyota saying they won’t cover it is not the end of it. Now it’s between you and the dealer.

Toyota’s role is to determine if the failure is a result on a failed part. A part that was installed correctly then failed and damaged your engine. That is all that is covered by the 12 month 12k mile warranty.

Poor workmanship, broken parts, not enough oil in the engine, etc is not on Toyota. The dealer would normally try to pay that off with goodwill warranty, the temporary warranty extension people are being granted. Now that Toyota knows about you title goodwill is probably off the table.

At this point,the dealer will have to man up and fix the car, or you go to court.


Toyota didn’t break the car. The recall didn’t break the car. The poor work performed on the engine broke the car. That’s on the dealer.

[mswbrz]

Originally Posted by maslin

Toyota saying they won’t cover it is not the end of it. Now it’s between you and the dealer.



Toyota’s role is to determine if the failure is a result on a failed part. A part that was installed correctly then failed and damaged your engine. That is all that is covered by the 12 month 12k mile warranty.



Poor workmanship, broken parts, not enough oil in the engine, etc is not on Toyota. The dealer would normally try to pay that off with goodwill warranty, the temporary warranty extension people are being granted. Now that Toyota knows about you title goodwill is probably off the table.



At this point,the dealer will have to man up and fix the car, or you go to court.





Toyota didn’t break the car. The recall didn’t break the car. The poor work performed on the engine broke the car. That’s on the dealer.

So how do you take a dealer to court? Attorney , lawyer , what do you recommend since you appear to have rational on why Toyota didn't break the car .


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[maslin]

Toyota didn’t break the car because Toyota didn’t perform the recall. A technician who works for a dealership, which isn’t owned by Toyota, performed the recall. The work was performed incorrectly, that isn’t Toyota’s fault.

Toyota does not own the dealerships. Toyota does not pay the technicians. Someone owns the dealership, generally a person or group of people.

Yes, you can sue the dealership for damages. If you pick your car up from an oil change and the windshield is broken, what would you do? It isn’t warranty, Toyota USA doesn’t owe you a windshield. The dealership does. Same thing, but a couple thousand dollars instead of several hundred.

[mswbrz]

Originally Posted by maslin

Toyota didn’t break the car because Toyota didn’t perform the recall. A technician who works for a dealership, which isn’t owned by Toyota, performed the recall. The work was performed incorrectly, that isn’t Toyota’s fault.

Toyota does not own the dealerships. Toyota does not pay the technicians. Someone owns the dealership, generally a person or group of people.

Yes, you can sue the dealership for damages. If you pick your car up from an oil change and the windshield is broken, what would you do? It isn’t warranty, Toyota USA doesn’t owe you a windshield. The dealership does. Same thing, but a couple thousand dollars instead of several hundred.

Under what basis do you sue a dealership ? How does one prove that that the recall work caused the engine to break ? Do you get an attorney ? Lawer, and if so what type ? Clarify ? sounds so easy to just say , sue the dealer ......?


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[maslin]

Originally Posted by mswbrz

Under what basis do you sue a dealership ? How does one prove that that the recall work caused the engine to break ? Do you get an attorney ? Lawer, and if so what type ? Clarify ? sounds so easy to just say , sue the dealer ......?


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You can sue anybody for anything, if you’re willing to pay. You dropped a car off to be worked on that ran fine, when you picked it up the engine blew up. Your attorney tries to prove they messed up. Their attorney tries prove it blew up on its own. Maybe you win and get money, maybe you lose and you’re out money.


Or you walk away, take your car and they never see you again. That’s what they’re hoping for.

[ybotspawn]

Originally Posted by maslin

You can sue anybody for anything, if you’re willing to pay. You dropped a car off to be worked on that ran fine, when you picked it up the engine blew up. Your attorney tries to prove they messed up. Their attorney tries prove it blew up on its own. Maybe you win and get money, maybe you lose and you’re out money.





Or you walk away, take your car and they never see you again. That’s what they’re hoping for.

The problem is determining whether the juice is worth the squeeze. If you have pictures of what caused it and a competent lawyer you have a good chance. If the dealer knows that, they'll probably settle and just pay for the motor. Costs less than legal fees. If not you'll be paying probably near as much as the motor to get them to pay for the motor. I'm not saying 8k is cheap, but it might be around the cut even price where its the same cost to pay for an engine as it is to pay for a lawyer.

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[maslin]

Originally Posted by ybotspawn

The problem is determining whether the juice is worth the squeeze. If you have pictures of what caused it and a competent lawyer you have a good chance. If the dealer knows that, they'll probably settle and just pay for the motor. Costs less than legal fees. If not you'll be paying probably near as much as the motor to get them to pay for the motor. I'm not saying 8k is cheap, but it might be around the cut even price where its the same cost to pay for an engine as it is to pay for a lawyer.

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Exactly. The dealers are hoping you either a. pay them thousands of dollars to fix an engine that was running fine 2 weeks ago, or b. disappear and never come back.

From what I’ve seen, the majority of frs/brz owners (especially early 2013s) are guys in their early 20s. The dealerships are probably fairly confident they don’t know how, or aren’t capable of persuing a civil suit.