2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by gymratter

The BMW comes with a manual, so even though it loses, it still wins...
And I hate BMWs.

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I love Toyota and Japanese cars in general but I don't think I'd ever really desire a Mkv now or in the future.

Probably because it's not Japanese, and a BMW...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Unfortunately probably none of them are from Japan (besides the actual badge itself maybe )

Doubt that Japan has used their strained manufacturing capacity to make badges in 20 years or more. Most likely came from China, Korea, India or Mexico.

[FR-S.13]

At this point, we just need to be thankful that these cars exist. People are saying it's sacrilege to call the Supra a Toyota because it's built on BMW bones...yet our cars were conceived on the same premise: platform sharing, without which these cars could never exist. You know as well as I that sports cars are an endangered species, and if we don't continue to buy and support them, we'll be talking about them in the past tense.

[Rampage]

MotorTrend seems to think that it will be announced this coming Thursday at Daytona.



https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021...er-livestream/

[Sasquachulator]

RIP 86

right?

[NARFALICIOUS]

2.0, 3.0, 3.0 Special Edition, 3.0 Premium

[RToyo86]

Maybe they're adding the six speed the Z4 currently already offers.

[NoHaveMSG]

All the supra forum guys have been crying about this for a little while already.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

RIP 86

right?

Meh will be the same story as the 86 with only a couple of additions.
"Too slow"
"Too heavy"
"Should be a Toyota inline 4"
"The MT is notchy/sloppy/too hard to shift/to easy to shift"
"The clutch feels wrong compared to my 14 year old Honda"
"Mileage sucks when I get on it"
"Not practical when it can't seat 4"

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

RIP 86

right?

The price points are too far away to cannibalize sales. The SZ-R sales for just under $50k.

[Lantanafrs2]

The clickbaiters are still hyping a next gen 86. We shall see

[R_E_L]

My understanding is the manual is off the table for this car. They're probably trying to keep the 86 the purist car. This is probably going to be marketed to people that want the supra looks at the lowest price, and don't mind giving up the performance to get it. That and the 10 people who will actually buy a new car to engine swap it.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by FR-S.13

At this point, we just need to be thankful that these cars exist. People are saying it's sacrilege to call the Supra a Toyota because it's built on BMW bones...yet our cars were conceived on the same premise: platform sharing, without which these cars could never exist. You know as well as I that sports cars are an endangered species, and if we don't continue to buy and support them, we'll be talking about them in the past tense.

Somewhat agree, but mostly disagree here.

If there is a silver lining to this, it's that Toyota is now producing MKIV Supra parts again, which can only be a good thing. Even the TRD bodykit for that car was brought back.

However, the difference between the Supra and the 86 is that the latter was made as a standalone car despite its roots. If this were a standalone car, there probably would not have been as much outrage. @Dadhawk put it best - the Supra name carries too much weight and should have been reserved for a car Toyota made themselves, and if that meant no Supra, so be it.

I would even go as far as to say that the 86 is far more of a Toyota than the Supra (what part of the Supra, besides exterior, badging, and possibly suspension, is actually from Toyota, and why would Subaru sell a car that is RWD?). The point here is that the car that received the Supra nameplate is nothing more than a rebadged BMW with suspension tweaks, which gives off the impression that Toyota made little to no effort in bringing back the Supra.

I will say this - I have no opinion of the actual car itself, as I have never driven one. I don't feel I should be as quick to judge the car because of the nameplate it carries. Contrary to what most people think a Supra should be, it's not supposed to be a high-horsepower dyno breaking monster - it's supposed to be a GT car that drives really well and can go against the best of them in its class. This car performs just as well if not better than its predecessors - and even then, like the MKIV before it, is still capable of high horsepower (albeit not as high, but high enough).

This car has its place - it's just that Toyota deserves little, if any, credit for bringing this car to their lineup.

[ZDan]

Bring it!