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Old 03-22-2015, 11:03 AM   #43
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Seriously, what's your point? I can go on about how shitty your rims fit but I choose not to. You are a troll. Please exit this thread.
If you cant see my point as I made it in the post you just commented on then I feel really sorry for you, also to bad I dont have those rims anymore, and now this topic is starting to get derailed so ill leave it at that. Just incase you cant see my point ill state it again in a TLDR format so you can comprehend it a little better.
- Wonder what made this swap worth it
- Couldent see manji post at the time
- Saw his post and can now see why sorta
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Old 03-22-2015, 11:15 AM   #44
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If you cant see my point as I made it in the post you just commented on then I feel really sorry for you, also to bad I dont have those rims anymore, and now this topic is starting to get derailed so ill leave it at that. Just incase you cant see my point ill state it again in a TLDR format so you can comprehend it a little better.
- Wonder what made this swap worth it
- Couldent see manji post at the time
- Saw his post and can now see why sorta
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If you actually read the thread, you'd understand that it's a prefrence thing.
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If you actually read the thread, you'd understand that it's a prefrence thing.
That's why I made my first post, I was thinking more of a performance side, guess that was wrong, once again sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings lol

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Old 03-22-2015, 01:58 PM   #46
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Wolfsfang, you say it's an old engine, and I guess to young guys it is. Keep it mind the motor, even being 15 years old, puts down better stock numbers than a fa20, hits 200whp much easier than the fa20, has hit 280whp NA (has a fa20 even hit 250 yet?) and gets too 300 and 400 on much less boost than the fa20.

You see an old engine. I see a superior engine.

Even better, if you pop one, you'll find another for stuff all.
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Wolfsfang, you say it's an old engine, and I guess to young guys it is. Keep it mind the motor, even being 15 years old, puts down better stock numbers than a fa20, hits 200whp much easier than the fa20, has hit 280whp NA (has a fa20 even hit 250 yet?) and gets too 300 and 400 on much less boost than the fa20.

You see an old engine. I see a superior engine.

Even better, if you pop one, you'll find another for stuff all.
they just havent built em as good as the 90's :/
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:01 AM   #48
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A friend who is "in the know" with Toyota said that the 3S-GE or some variant of it was in the original plan for the 86. But that idea got shot down due it driving cost up into 370Z territory, hence, the Subaru collab.

I also vaguely remember reading Yamaha being part of engine development before or around 2011 which apparently didn't happen.
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How did I miss this thread?? This is now my favorite build/swap thread.




Yes, this definitely hits home for us (ex)MR2 guys. Lol.
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A friend who is "in the know" with Toyota said that the 3S-GE or some variant of it was in the original plan for the 86. But that idea got shot down due it driving cost up into 370Z territory, hence, the Subaru collab.

I also vaguely remember reading Yamaha being part of engine development before or around 2011 which apparently didn't happen.
From what I understand, Yamaha did work on the FA20. Or is there nothing definitive?
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I am curious as how the engine swap effects handling and weight distribution. If only the altezza came with a better transmission.
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From what I understand, Yamaha did work on the FA20. Or is there nothing definitive?
The only 100% confirmed Yamaha involvement that I can think of is that they are co-developers of the D4-S with Toyota.

Source: https://www.sae.org/automag/techbrie...1-114-1-17.pdf

As for the heads/cams, maybe, maybe not. But history of work on GE motors, plus D4-S strongly suggests they participated.
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A friend who is "in the know" with Toyota said that the 3S-GE or some variant of it was in the original plan for the 86. But that idea got shot down due it driving cost up into 370Z territory, hence, the Subaru collab.
I don't really understand how Toyota could have been planning to put in an engine that had not been emissions legal for something like 10 years already, that makes no sense. Unless by "3S-GE" your friend is referring to a brand new I4 that has nothing to do with the 3S.

The FA20 is the better engine, mostly because they're actually allowed to use it. It also happens to have higher specific output since it doesn't have a fat chunk of dinosaur iron sitting there.

You don't just "rework" an old engine for a new car, there's no point to spending the R&D on an engine that only sees limited use long after production has stopped. You do exactly what everyone does, develop a brand new engine using everything you've learned and new manufacturing technology, because that actually makes sense.
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A friend who is "in the know" with Toyota said that the 3S-GE or some variant of it was in the original plan for the 86. But that idea got shot down due it driving cost up into 370Z territory, hence, the Subaru collab.

I also vaguely remember reading Yamaha being part of engine development before or around 2011 which apparently didn't happen.
I think your friend was more in the "No" than the "know".
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I think your friend was more in the "No" than the "know".
He deals directly with Japanese companies and his paid profession is to work with accurate, factual data. He's given me inside information on business ops of a few recognizable Japanese companies that have a hand in this car and the info checked out. His circle includes people tied to Toyota Corporate and 86 chief engineer. He doesn't work with the media and has nothing to gain in misinforming me. I don't want to affect his business relations so keeping him anonymous.
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He deals directly with Japanese companies and his paid profession is to work with accurate, factual data. He's given me inside information on business ops of a few recognizable Japanese companies that have a hand in this car and the info checked out. His circle includes people tied to Toyota Corporate and 86 chief engineer. He doesn't work with the media and has nothing to gain in misinforming me. I don't want to affect his business relations so keeping him anonymous.
Yet he suggested that an engine that came out in 1980 and had been out of production for two years before the FT86 concept even existed was only cut because it would cost more than designing an all new engine with a very new fancy injection system?

Go figure...


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