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slicktop · 07-30-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartarus

All the captive hardware for mounting the transmission crossmember is on a single large stamped plate / brace. There's only spot welds holding it on. You don't have to cut into the chassis at all. Spot drilling that brace piece out also opens the transmission tunnel up quite a bit, and makes space for new components and hardware.

Much easier than clearancing the tunnel brace with a grinder and recycling the old captive hardware.

You have to grind the coating off to weld anything new on anyway, and cutting spot welds is pretty clean with the right tools.

AFAIK, @Ross is the only one to go this route with my car.

With the V160, I don't think there's enough room with the FRS OEM bracing to be kept, but that was almost a year and a half ago? So I can't recall exactly.

Sportsguy83 · 07-30-2016, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slicktop

AFAIK, @Ross is the only one to go this route with my car.

With the V160, I don't think there's enough room with the FRS OEM bracing to be kept, but that was almost a year and a half ago? So I can't recall exactly.

Badass work!!

Spartarus · 07-31-2016, 12:03 PM

That is very clean work indeed.

Yeah, there's no space to keep the bracing with any "real" transmission.

The GTO T56 will fit with lots of "clearancing" but anybody doing it is better off just cutting the damn bracing out.

The 3sGE Altezza motor will fit with its J160 transmission, (not to be confused with V160) but it's funny because the J160 is literally the same Aisin box as ours. Well, the center section at least...

cf6mech · 08-02-2016, 01:34 PM

As I promised......[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GDEaYuJ8Ek"]CAN integration for BRZ/FRS/FT86 platform - YouTube[/ame]

slicktop · 08-02-2016, 07:13 PM

Glad you got it working. Feels good right?

cf6mech · 08-02-2016, 07:47 PM

Its a friends car.....mine should be soon.

Zer0 · 08-02-2016, 11:57 PM

Looking good. Did the can bus device keep all stock functions, if not what was not kept?

cf6mech · 08-03-2016, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0

Looking good. Did the can bus device keep all stock functions, if not what was not kept?

Reference to a blog soon to be posted answering these questions .

Zer0 · 08-03-2016, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Reference to a blog soon to be posted answering these questions .

Thank you for everyone who contributed to this thread. It's good to know we have a few standalone solutions for combined ECU and can bus functions, as well as people working on a solution to add in the needed can bus signals if you are doing a swap, and need to use a oem ECU which is the case for me.

Manji · 08-04-2016, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I would consider only one swap, LS swap. Thought I won't do it until there is a solution with All systems working properly.

@Manji so everything works with the Motec M150?

I see full blown sells a plug and play package as far as it replacing the stock ECU. (I know the engine harness needs to be moddified to accomodate the new motor sensors).

Yes everything.
AC, Heater, PS, TC, ABS etc.

The one thing that didnt work out of the box was the fuel level gauge. This car does something weird with how it measures the fuel level. Rather than measuring the tank, it remembers how much its used. When I first got my car back, the economy gauge said I was doing 5L/100km (so less than the boxer) I knew that wasn't right but didn't care. Not until I ran out of gas when the gauge said I still had 3/8th's of a tank.
But once that was known, a quick plug in and adjustment of a value/factor and now it's correct.

Sportsguy83 · 08-04-2016, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manji

Yes everything.
AC, Heater, PS, TC, ABS etc.

The one thing that didnt work out of the box was the fuel level gauge. This car does something weird with how it measures the fuel level. Rather than measuring the tank, it remembers how much its used. When I first got my car back, the economy gauge said I was doing 5L/100km (so less than the boxer) I knew that wasn't right but didn't care. Not until I ran out of gas when the gauge said I still had 3/8th's of a tank.
But once that was known, a quick plug in and adjustment of a value/factor and now it's correct.

That's very awesome!! I would only do a swap if everything was working like stock, like yours. Amazing build. Lots of respect.

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cf6mech · 08-05-2016, 11:22 PM

SOME GREAT NEWS RIGHT HERE.......https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...74774139259849

Zer0 · 08-06-2016, 02:25 AM

Nice. Thanks for the update.

toddy101 · 08-08-2016, 10:17 AM

Hi guys,
Andrew from AGT Engineering here.
Just thought I would put in my 2c to this thread.
I developed a prototype solution a fair while ago (nearly 12 months). I do not own a FT86/BRZ and have so far relied on a couple of projects in Australia to test my first prototype units. We had the instrument clusters RPM, temp gauge, MIL and Oil pressure lights working the end of last year and the EPS functional. Unfortunately this is as far as it got as the test vehicles were still projects and were only able to be driven down the driveway and back. A couple of units were also sent to the US for testing. One went to the Vorshlag vehicle for testing, but turns out the GM ECU was an older version and didn't have the right CAN messages, so it did not work. I then added hard wired inputs to allow RPM pickup, coolant sensing, as well as the original I/O for indicator lamps to/from Canbus. A couple of these units were then resent to the testers, including the Vorshlag. The latest units have also been used for early model (pre-can) Subaru engines into late model Can based Subarus (04+ Legacy and 08+ Impreza/Wrx's) and sent across the world with great feedback. There have been no reports of spikes on gauges as previously speculated. I guess the combination of the on-board hardware and software filtering is doing its thing.

I have so far spent countless hours studying the 86 Canbus without any form of income. The units have been given to all the testers at my cost. I have found it a bit disappointing and a bit odd that some testers have gone and bagged my FREE product and writing it off BEFORE contacting me for assistance on how to connect it up or troubleshoot.

So basically I would like to say please help me to help you. If you have an 86/BRZ engine swap project that is about to be running, are technically minded and not scared to do a bit of fault finding for me, canbus logging and access to a good ABS/ECM diagnostic machine, contact me and I will see if I can give you a free (prototype) 86/BRZ Translator for testing.

Andrew.

07-31-2016, 12:03 PM	#59
Spartarus ...Just add nauseum Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: 2003 (AP1) S2000 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 545 Thanks: 310 Thanked 784 Times in 335 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	That is very clean work indeed. Yeah, there's no space to keep the bracing with any "real" transmission. The GTO T56 will fit with lots of "clearancing" but anybody doing it is better off just cutting the damn bracing out. The 3sGE Altezza motor will fit with its J160 transmission, (not to be confused with V160) but it's funny because the J160 is literally the same Aisin box as ours. Well, the center section at least... __________________ Inline 4 is best 4 There are many ways to displace. -Spartarus

08-02-2016, 07:13 PM	#61
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toddy101 Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Drives: LS3 BRZ Location: Australia Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 42 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hi guys, Andrew from AGT Engineering here. Just thought I would put in my 2c to this thread. I developed a prototype solution a fair while ago (nearly 12 months). I do not own a FT86/BRZ and have so far relied on a couple of projects in Australia to test my first prototype units. We had the instrument clusters RPM, temp gauge, MIL and Oil pressure lights working the end of last year and the EPS functional. Unfortunately this is as far as it got as the test vehicles were still projects and were only able to be driven down the driveway and back. A couple of units were also sent to the US for testing. One went to the Vorshlag vehicle for testing, but turns out the GM ECU was an older version and didn't have the right CAN messages, so it did not work. I then added hard wired inputs to allow RPM pickup, coolant sensing, as well as the original I/O for indicator lamps to/from Canbus. A couple of these units were then resent to the testers, including the Vorshlag. The latest units have also been used for early model (pre-can) Subaru engines into late model Can based Subarus (04+ Legacy and 08+ Impreza/Wrx's) and sent across the world with great feedback. There have been no reports of spikes on gauges as previously speculated. I guess the combination of the on-board hardware and software filtering is doing its thing. I have so far spent countless hours studying the 86 Canbus without any form of income. The units have been given to all the testers at my cost. I have found it a bit disappointing and a bit odd that some testers have gone and bagged my FREE product and writing it off BEFORE contacting me for assistance on how to connect it up or troubleshoot. So basically I would like to say please help me to help you. If you have an 86/BRZ engine swap project that is about to be running, are technically minded and not scared to do a bit of fault finding for me, canbus logging and access to a good ABS/ECM diagnostic machine, contact me and I will see if I can give you a free (prototype) 86/BRZ Translator for testing. Andrew.

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