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View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one 16 13.11%
I might get one if they offer a MT 48 39.34%
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:32 PM   #1135
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Hoooboy does the Supra put its power down well. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 3.8s with a 12.3 s quarter mile. Not bad for 335 horsepower. Oh, it also turns in 31 mpg on the highway.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/
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^post #1132 :p

its clearly underrated. my guess is anywhere from 380-400hp at the crank.
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:21 PM   #1137
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So I'll admit it.

I wasn't a big fan of the car when I first saw it. Aesthetically, I think the front half of the car is a pretty big let down. As a matter of fact, I still do. However, I didn't really have much of an interest in the vehicle because it was largely BMW. Not that that's a bad thing, but I'm spending 50k for a halo sports car from Toyota, when I sit inside of it, I'd like to see more Japanese styling rather than a bunch of carryover components from BMW.

After seeing reviews and remarks from people like Matt Farrah and Savagegeese (never mind pretty much the rest of the youtubers because they suck) I have a new level of faith in the car. The way the car rotates on turn in and through the corner is pretty cool to see. It seems like the car is plenty lively and not at all a big, fat pig of a car that pushes everywhere you go. Savagegeese said in his video "the Supra is really eager and basically just feels like a heavier Miata with more power". I can dig that.

I'd be interested in driving one. Though I'll still reserve any strong desire to own one until I see how they do in terms of reliability for the first couple years.
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Time will tell. Overall I like the new look, power looks good. Great GT card with some handling chops. Love the stock exhaust. Sadly out of my price range by a long shot. Lets hope this venture is successful as it will encourage them to build more sport cars in era where EVs might make auto executives think twice about low volume low profit sports cars.
I think the opposite will happen with EVs, the power train will be able to be taken off the shelf from any mass market car available and get stuffed into a little nimble chassis for rocket ship performance at a fraction of the cost of today's power trains due to the economies of scale. That also offers tight packaging with a low cg that means more space for cool suspension designs like longer formula style control arms for better camber and toe curves.

The last boom of sports cars in the late eighties was fueled by leaps forward in engine efficiency, as EFI hit consumer cars and companies figured out how to reduce emissions without sacrificing power you got engines like the 4AGE, KA24, Ford Modular Engine, Honda B-series, LSx, Mitsubishi 4G6 etc. etc. That were in mass production for high volume cars and trucks making them cheap to toss into sports cars. I expect EVs will follow a similar trend once battery tech makes another step forward and they gain significant market share, there's only so many ways to wire them up so the designs will converge and cheapen to the point where I bet people will eventually start doing motor swaps to EV because it's cheaper than sourcing parts to keep an ICE running and you get better performance.

Edit: Tyler, I mean, either you're willing to buy a $50k BMW or not, it's really a question of if it drives well enough for you to take the risk right? The engine, mechanics and interior aren't going to be anything new or scary or prone to change over the next three to four years, it'd only be body panels and such at risk, but the Germans are actually good at that now, except I guess shock tower bracing.
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Hoooboy does the Supra put its power down well. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 3.8s with a 12.3 s quarter mile. Not bad for 335 horsepower. Oh, it also turns in 31 mpg on the highway.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/
"Our best runs involved a light dollop of brake torquing to get engine revs off idle and then carefully applying the gas pedal to avoid excessive wheelspin. The launch-control program, which was inconsistent in its engagement, was considerably slower."

Nice to get a number for impression, not nice to do it continuously with this transmission. They should have used the launch-control.

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^post #1132 :p

its clearly underrated. my guess is anywhere from 380-400hp at the crank.
So how much underrated is the Z4 "382-hp" six-cylinder? 430-450 hp? :b

What this engine is all about is the low-mid torque, but comparing to the Z4 it is clear that power is restricted to the top. I am sure that tuners will find a way to remove the restriction, but then warranty goes out of the window.
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^Yeah, the launch control program probably does the same thing. I'm sure the transmission is fine.

@unhappymeal, all BMW turbo engines are quite underrated from factory. And a quick shifting automatic will always impress with fast numbers when combined with a modern turbo engine. A better indication of how quick the car is, in conventional/practical terms, is the 5-60 mph time. I think C&D is the only magazine that actually measures that.
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So how much underrated is the Z4 "382-hp" six-cylinder? 430-450 hp? :b
could very well be, and according to bimmerpost insider the Surpa is also getting the "385hp" B58B30O1.

https://g29.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...01686&page=101

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/bmw...s-coming.1785/

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toy...ack-form.1787/
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^Yeah, the launch control program probably does the same thing. I'm sure the transmission is fine.
If it does exactly the same thing then why there is a difference in the result? How much does it rev the engine the launch control? Doing it manually you change the parameters and you can stress the transmission more. Journalists don't care doing this on a test car. It is not their own car.
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As far as performance goes (as measured by C&D), here's a current Cayman S PDK:



Previous gen Cayman S 6sp:



BMW M2 Competition DCT:



Just for reference. Supra's in good company.
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Edit: Tyler, I mean, either you're willing to buy a $50k BMW or not, it's really a question of if it drives well enough for you to take the risk right? The engine, mechanics and interior aren't going to be anything new or scary or prone to change over the next three to four years, it'd only be body panels and such at risk, but the Germans are actually good at that now, except I guess shock tower bracing.
What I mean is I'd like to see what kind of bugs the car has and how they get sorted after release. I don't care enough to get one that I need to jump on one the second it's released. I'm fine with waiting a year to see how the car does, and hopefully allow the demand to settle (since I wouldn't be surprised if dealers were charging ADM upon release). Additionally, I want to see how the dealer network manages the maintanence and warranty claims of this car.

It's an entirely new vehicle and a new venture for Toyota; there's bound to be hiccups. I'd just like to wait for those initial ones to be discovered and addressed.
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It's an entirely new vehicle and a new venture for Toyota; there's bound to be hiccups. I'd just like to wait for those initial ones to be discovered and addressed.

Any fully new model car can and likely will have some things to iron out. This can be magnified when it is a joint venture.


Although there are plenty of guys that have had no big issues with the early cars I am very glad that I did not know it existed until well into the 3rd year of production.


All apply to the initial run cars. Only 3 apply to 14s forward (as well as the initial run cars)




S-SB-0009-12 : DRL Customization
S-SB-0019-12 : Dash Mounted Speaker Grille Appearance
S-SB-0023-12 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Original)
S-SB-0023-12-Rev2 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Revised)
S-SB-0007-16 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (NEW)
S-SB-0002-13 : Condensation in Rear Combination Lamp
S-SB-0014-13 : Rattle Noise From MT Shift Lever
S-SB-0033-13 : Hard Start, Rough Idle, Camshaft Sensor or Misfire DTCs
S-SB-0040-13 : Intermittent RPM Drop
S-SB-0041-13 : Taillight Lens Cracking
S-SB-0001-14 : Window Freezing, Losing Initialization
S-SB-0009-14 : Outside Door Weatherstrip
S-SB-0021-15 : Idle Fluctuation in Park or Neutral
S-SB-0012-17 : Abnormal Noise When Clutch Pedal is Depressed
S-TT-0043-12 (Not a TSB): Body panels that arenít flush. LINK to DIY
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I wasn't too fond of this thing at first thinking it might be an overly purist tada wagon. Glad to be wrong
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Here is a good read. It compares the Supra directly to an 86.

https://jalopnik.com/how-the-2020-to...-in-1834736476
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Any fully new model car can and likely will have some things to iron out. This can be magnified when it is a joint venture.


Although there are plenty of guys that have had no big issues with the early cars I am very glad that I did not know it existed until well into the 3rd year of production.


All apply to the initial run cars. Only 3 apply to 14s forward (as well as the initial run cars)




S-SB-0009-12 : DRL Customization
S-SB-0019-12 : Dash Mounted Speaker Grille Appearance
S-SB-0023-12 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Original)
S-SB-0023-12-Rev2 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Revised)
S-SB-0007-16 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (NEW)
S-SB-0002-13 : Condensation in Rear Combination Lamp
S-SB-0014-13 : Rattle Noise From MT Shift Lever
S-SB-0033-13 : Hard Start, Rough Idle, Camshaft Sensor or Misfire DTCs
S-SB-0040-13 : Intermittent RPM Drop
S-SB-0041-13 : Taillight Lens Cracking
S-SB-0001-14 : Window Freezing, Losing Initialization
S-SB-0009-14 : Outside Door Weatherstrip
S-SB-0021-15 : Idle Fluctuation in Park or Neutral
S-SB-0012-17 : Abnormal Noise When Clutch Pedal is Depressed
S-TT-0043-12 (Not a TSB): Body panels that aren’t flush. LINK to DIY
Half of those are from a brand new power train, the B58 has over five years in production already.

The other half are from Subaru being shit at plastics and interiors, I'm not saying BMW is perfect, far from it, our B48 needed new crank bearings at 15k miles, I just don't know what you guys expect will change in a year.

Don't get me wrong, it's sensible to wait, but I don't think you'll magically dodge some major issues, the 86 still has problems popping up on new cars, I doubt the Zupra will be any different.
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