Brakes, Brakes, and more Brakes

[CWP68]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

For those wanting brake upgrades, Vari Racing is now supplying upgrade kits and BBK kits for the 86 platform.

Vari can also heat treat and hook slot standard sized disks. Can't remember what it cost but it wasn't that much. I'm running them with endless pads and PFC 665 fluid. Big improvement.

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by Dammod

I'll throw my 2c in as well if thats ok...

Assuming we are talking about an N/A GT86:
I feel the 100% stock setup if great for the odd track day. This is my experience from my previous (heavier) Impreza as well as my BRZ and it comes down to two main points:

1. Brake later and harder once you are comfortable doing so: I find that a lot of people new to trackdays tend to brake faaaar too early and for longer periods of time as apposed to the more seasoned trackday enthusiast braking later and harder and for much shorter periods of time.
Shorter, harder braking is MUCH easier on your brakes then loooong drawn-out braking.

2. Dont do too many hotlaps: I cant give you an exact number for all tracks but I can use Killarney as an example.
My typical routine at Killarney would be one or two warm-up laps, followed by 3-4 hot-laps, a cool-down lap, 3 hot-laps again, then two cool-down and pit.
Banging out hot-lap after hot-lap KILLS brakes, especially if you are braking for extended periods of time as mentioned in point one.
My definition on a "cool-down" lap is doing a slow lap without or barely touching the brakes.

I was doing WRX laptimes with my N/A Impreza on 100% stock brakes, sticking to the above mentioned routine and I think I got slight brake fade once and that was because on one of my cool-down laps I decided to start "racing" someone again...

I'm not saying DONT upgrade your brakes, by all means, do it, it WILL be better then stock if done properly, but don't be scared to hit the track with stock brakes, just DONT do too many hotlaps and remember to let them cool down properly before pitting.

This is my experience.

Take it easy, dont "race" anyone, stay within your own limits and have FUN!

Im not surprised you happy with stock brakes, you dont produce enough power over stock
anyhow.
JOKING

[FT_86_SM_GP]

So I managed to source the Motul RBF for R162 Incl VAT (500ml) at Dark Artz Performance today,

Was a fun 20min drive on a Saturday morning,

Best price I could find in JHB,

I bought 4 bottles (Can never have too little fluids lying around),

Any recommendations on a reliable place to send the vehicle for a Brake Fluid Flush/Change around JHB?

This should take approx 1 hour (1 hour labor costs?) - I am assuming?

Was also trying to research the different brake fluids that Motul distributes and a Toyota 86 is in the background (Made me happy lol)


Here is their website and details:

[FT_86_SM_GP]

Originally Posted by CWP68

Vari can also heat treat and hook slot standard sized disks. Can't remember what it cost but it wasn't that much. I'm running them with endless pads and PFC 665 fluid. Big improvement.

Thanks I contacted Vari now, will get feedback when they reply

[LostSalad]

Originally Posted by FT_86_SM_GP

So I managed to source the Motul RBF for R162 Incl VAT (500ml) at Dark Artz Performance today

Thank you! I was just about the purchase another bottle from PowerBrake and the slightly higher price + shipping costs pushed it to over R300 for a bottle . Dark Artz is also very close to Subaru Centurion, for anyone wanting to pick up a BRZ exhaust

I think I will be picking up some extra before Red Star. It took me so long to get that damned leak from my hardline sorted out once and for all that I think I got a bit more air in the lines since. The pedal isn't as hard as my first test drive so I'll do a bleed on all 4 corners again just to be sure.

Doing a fluid flush by itself isn't too difficult. Hell, we could even do it at Red Star if you like - I'll help and I'm sure others won't mind either.

[sav]

DIY - too easy. You shouldn't need more than 1l, fi you do you've pumped too much out. Can buy Motul fluid from any bike shop, they pretty much all stock it.

[Ryan86]

Vari Racing offering our 86 community special on brake kits

Big Brake Kit

2 piece J hook discs
325 discs
615 calipers
Performance pads
Mounting brackets
Steel braided Lines
Brake fluid
R14500 excl

OEM Upgrade

Front only
J Hook heat treated Disc,
Steel braided lines,
stoptech pads
Brake Fluid
- 6200 ex vat

Call Chantelle on +27 (60) 9664479

Mention Ryan 86 or @sav gets you special price.

[FT_86_SM_GP]

So I am in the market for upgrading brakes,
(as I gave my OEM brakes a bashing at Supertrax track event)

I need some help/advice.

I called two places this morning for the Standard Spec 86 (16inch wheel) brake upgrade.

I have 3 options in Gauteng

1. Powerbrakes (PTA) 012 8030155
http://www.powerbrake.co.za/

Slotted Discs - R2550.00 (In my opinion value for money in terms of the quality of their discs)

Bendix Pads - R1567.50

Endless Pads - R2274

Endless PB05 - R2720.04

Steel brake lines - R741.00

2. FormulaFriction (Edenvale) 011 4525692
http://www.formulafriction.co.za/?page_id=2

EBC Yellow Stuff Front pads R1500 incl vat

In House Front discs(heat treated and slotted) R2800 incl vat for the set

Front discs (EBC discs) R3800 incl vat for the set

Steel brake lines R500 incl vat

Fitment R450 incl vat

3. Vari brakes - As per Ryan's post above

Needs: Daily driver, odd track day (Probably bi monthly). I already have Motul RBF660 and will continue to use this brake fluid.

Research: Powerbrakes say that the Bendix pads, Endless pads and EBC Yellow stuff pads are more of street pads and have 'max temps' of approx 550, as opposed to Endless PB05 which has a max temp of 650

I have my mind set on Powerbrake Slotted discs, but unsure what brake pads to go with?

EBC Yellow stuff at R1500 incl VAT is looking really attractive, but if they cannot perform at a track day then I might as well pay almost double the price? (I could buy 2 sets of EBC Yellow stuff Vs 1 set of Endless PB05)

Which Endless pads are most people running? Anyone tried the EBC Yellow Stuff?

Steel brake lines (Powerbrake vs Superfriction) R250 difference, I guess it comes down to the build quality ?

Thanks

[sav]

I've recently fitted Performance Friction PF10 front. Will let you know how it goes...

[Fish Eagle]

I use Endless PB05/MX72

Yellow Stuff - I wouldn't use them if they were a gift.
I've read several bad reports, and here's the opinion of our tracking guru http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=69

[sav]

Some more information on Performance Friction since I'm sure not many on here have heard about them:
http://www.pfc.parts/toyota-gt86-cup/






They come with very decent shims and thick powder coated backing plates which will not rust.

[FT_86_SM_GP]

Originally Posted by sav

I've recently fitted Performance Friction PF10 front. Will let you know how it goes...

Did you import these or is there a distributor in Gauteng?

[sav]

Originally Posted by FT_86_SM_GP

Did you import these or is there a distributor in Gauteng?

Bought them from International Race Supplies in Buccleuch, speak to Mike.
http://www.racesupplies.co.za/suppli...n-corporation/
http://www.racesupplies.co.za/contact-us/

[Alang]

Originally Posted by FT_86_SM_GP

So I am in the market for upgrading brakes,
(as I gave my OEM brakes a bashing at Supertrax track event)

I need some help/advice.

I called two places this morning for the Standard Spec 86 (16inch wheel) brake upgrade.

I have 3 options in Gauteng

1. Powerbrakes (PTA) 012 8030155

Slotted Discs - R2550.00 (In my opinion value for money in terms of the quality of their discs)

Bendix Pads - R1567.50

Endless Pads - R2274

Endless PB05 - R2720.04

Steel brake lines - R741.00

2. SuperFriction (Edenvale) 011 4525692

EBC Yellow Stuff Front pads R1500 incl vat

In House Front discs(heat treated and slotted) R2800 incl vat for the set

Front discs (EBC discs) R3800 incl vat for the set

Steel brake lines R500 incl vat

Fitment R450 incl vat

3. Vari brakes - As per Ryan's post above

Needs: Daily driver, odd track day (Probably bi monthly). I already have Motul RBF660 and will continue to use this brake fluid.

Research: Powerbrakes say that the Bendix pads, Endless pads and EBC Yellow stuff pads are more of street pads and have 'max temps' of approx 550, as opposed to Endless PB05 which has a max temp of 650

I have my mind set on Powerbrake Slotted discs, but unsure what brake pads to go with?

EBC Yellow stuff at R1500 incl VAT is looking really attractive, but if they cannot perform at a track day then I might as well pay almost double the price? (I could buy 2 sets of EBC Yellow stuff Vs 1 set of Endless PB05)

Which Endless pads are most people running? Anyone tried the EBC Yellow Stuff?

Steel brake lines (Powerbrake vs Superfriction) R250 difference, I guess it comes down to the build quality ?

Thanks

Give Formula Friction a shout as well!
http://www.formulafriction.co.za
They sorted me with my clutch. Brilliant service, very knowledgable and a fantastic price! They do EBC, Vari etc. Highly recommend them!