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There's also the fact that these trucks will probably fare pretty badly from a pedestrian safety stanpoint (one of the reasons it won't be sold in the EU). They may also make crashes worse for other cars. Last thing we need is a ****-waving contest in an unregulated corner of the automotive market. Then again, it was already happening before the Cybertruck, so.. Still, I kind of like this thing. All automakers describe their new products as blank sheet designs. This actually is one. |
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Not completely. I've test driven a Hummer EV Pickup. It's a nice vehicle, and could easily replace our Suburban which we use all the time for Suburban size purposes. Sure, to some extent it's a "lifestyle" vehicle for most buyers, but i could put it to work except for the stupid price they are asking (probably required)
Haven't driven the CyberTruck, but from what I can see, I would pay for a top of the line Hummer before I would ever buy a bottom of the line CT.
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The OG Hummer with engine in the cab and no pumpkins hanging out the bottom.
Fine for rock crawling and hunting in the wilderness, but like 62mph top speed. Arnie got his for the publicity rather than utility in downtown Sacto. H2 and Hwatevers were re-badged Tahoes.
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The box says FMJ and bullets look consistent with a full metal jacket bullet and not some hollow point or some movie prop bullet, so it looks legit. There is no point in lying because people on YouTube will be shooting these things up. https://www.outdoorlimited.com/handg...ket-50-rounds/
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The track looks legit. The times look legit in the video. The thing is the EV doesn't have shifting, and it makes all the torque instantly down low with its gearing, so it has all the advantage besides its weight. Add in a single axel aluminum trailer that is about 1000lbs (Source) and a 3,400lb Carrera, so say add 4,500lbs to a 6,800lb truck, and the total is 11k-12k pounds. Interestingly, if we put into a 1/4 mile calculator the weight of a Tesla Plaid and its horsepower we get a low to mid 9 second quarter mile, which is what it does. If we put in the same horsepower and the 6,800lb Cybertruck then we get a high 10 second quarter mile, which it does. If we put in 11,000 pounds, we get something in the 12's, which beats the base Carrera, which is what it does, so everything seems reasonable to me. The horsepower is less and torque is much more on the Cybertruck than the Plaid because of gearing, but it has a bigger battery at 125kWh'ish, so this seems entirely plausible to me. The quoted 845hp and 10,300tq (wheel torque) seems like numbers that reflect a shift in gearing, but the motors are likely similar to the 1020hp and 1050tq Model S Plaid with different gearing and a bigger battery, so overall, more power potential, so I don't doubt the numbers. The Rivian has 835hp and 908tq, and Jason says it is 60lbs heavier than the Cybertruck, but the quoted weight difference from the manufactures is 250lbs, so I don't know if he did a real world weight, or if he messed up there. The 250lbs could justify the performance difference along with some differences in torque perhaps, but I feel like the capabilities of the truck is underrated or intentionally limited by the computers. We typically don't see the Plaid putting down the same times in the quarter mile after multiple attempts, as the battery is getting low, so it is possible the new 4680 cells and any extra cooling is doing better, or maybe the extra battery capacity is helping, or maybe they limited the performance in some way. Hard to know.
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Sounds like a d*ck measuring contest to me.
What is a reasonable and safe rate of acceleration for a truck on public roads? I think my current vehicle does around 7 seconds 0 to 60 and I'm ok with it. If I had gone electric I'd want range but leave the 2.9 s 0-60 times for people that dig that kinda stuff. I do dig the 60's to early 70's muscle cars but my former ride, 2018 STI could probably beat a 69 GTO with 400 CID V8.. Aside from competition use, who really needs neck breaking acceleration? At what point does it go from responsive to dangerous? If that's the rush you're after, go to an amusement park. Get off my lawn you kids!
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You're describing the entire automotive industry and every manufacturer of a product. Pepsi/Coke, Apple/Samsung, Facebook/Twitter, etc., Bugatti/koenigsegg, Mustang/Camaro, etc. It's all a contest.
But really, why not? Needs it? No one needs it, but people want it. Only rich people should have access to this type of performance? Porsche Turbo S 0-60 with 2S quarter mile speed with the utility of a truck for less than either. What's not to like about that? This is probably one of the safest vehicles accelerating at that speed because of its weight.
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It really only has a minimal impact on range though, as long as you don't keep sticking your foot into it, pretty much like an ICE. Cadillac, for example, has taken a different approach. The LYRIQ AWD has a 0-60 speed of a "glacial" 4.7 seconds because it is tuned to be a luxury car and not a top fuel dragster. It limits torque until the vehicle is moving (I think it's 30MPH) specifically to keep you from bouncing your passenger's heads off the head rest.. There is an option "V mode" that can be downloaded, for a cost, that removes some of that restriction, reducing the the time by more than a half second, and adding a good bit of torque at launch.
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That's funny, the comment regards to preventing the passenger's heads from bouncing off the headrests. Many comfortable luxurious vehicles still have lots of power despite their smoothness. My brother's BMW X3 M which has the Supra 382 HP in line six is initially it's a nice luxurious car, but whenever the driver feels like it they can cause you to fly back in your seat and or bounce your head off the headrest. Even driving with my friend in his Honda CRV this happens, whereas in my car and my driving style that's not going to be an issue. If you care about your passengers, then you want them to feel comfortable, not jostled.
Meanwhile, the Volvo is doing another software update, far more often than regular Android ever did but not an inconvenience.
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Still, base RWD 992s can post 11.5s quarter mile times . That's within half a second of Tesla's claim for an unladen Cybertruck. That would mean adding 4 500 lbs behind one only reduce quarter mile by under a second? Seems awfully low. Re the bullet proofing part, it's a cool party trick but couldn't they have made the thing lighter to get more range and reduce cost? Then again I think Musk had understood that party tricks actually move units... |
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