FT86 Vs. 2020 Corvette C8 Stingray

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by rennlistuser3

I hope my humor wasn't lost in that post no offense to anyone

Oh no, no offence taken -

I don't really care what people think about what kind of car I drive, hell, I drove a Miata for eight years -




humfrz

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by rennlistuser3

You saw a Corvette C8? are they already out in the wild?

Supra

[rennlistuser3]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Supra

well you still beat me, never seen a Supra in the wild yet. Would like to see it but never selling my FT86 for one ever

C8 considering or maybe a few years down the line, too many career decisions to be made at this stage in my life.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by rennlistuser3

well you still beat me, never seen a Supra in the wild yet. Would like to see it but never selling my FT86 for one ever

C8 considering or maybe a few years down the line, too many career decisions to be made at this stage in my life.

I hear you. I have a hard time parting with that kind of money for a car. Maybe in a few years when there are used ones around.

[Clutch Dog]

I got a bad feeling, and this is just a feeling

the C8 will be a limited run unlike the C7

and prices on them will rise with time after a slight fall, like the 04-05 ford Gt

They are worth double what they cost back in 05 now a days


this is just a hunch. but there aint no way in how they can sell that C8 for 60k for a company profit per unit sold. they have to be selling them at a loss.

just a hunch

[rennlistuser3]

Originally Posted by Clutch Dog

I got a bad feeling, and this is just a feeling

the C8 will be a limited run unlike the C7

and prices on them will rise with time after a slight fall, like the 04-05 ford Gt

They are worth double what they cost back in 05 now a days


this is just a hunch. but there aint no way in how they can sell that C8 for 60k for a company profit per unit sold. they have to be selling them at a loss.

just a hunch

I'd say unlikely but your speculation is as good as mine

They were selling the C7 at supposedly a profit for around 60k. As far as I can tell from reading specs everywhere, the C8 is just a mid-engined C7, i.e. just redesigned. The Corvette always did have this potential just never unleashed with FR but now with MR it's there. The C7 was a very fast car.

Heck, even the Mustang GT350 is a crazy price bargain. It's really nothing new to the American sportscar scene. OK OK maybe this is more on the game changing side but yeah I believe it.

[rennlistuser3]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

I hear you. I have a hard time parting with that kind of money for a car. Maybe in a few years when there are used ones around.

yeah I was just shopping around for used Mustang GT350 and the offers are super enticing. Used is definitely on my list of options. Not that the new one is out of reach to be honest, it's just a matter of where you want to put your money.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Clutch Dog

I got a bad feeling, and this is just a feeling the C8 will be a limited run unlike the C7 and prices on them will rise with time after a slight fall, like the 04-05 ford Gt They are worth double what they cost back in 05 now a days this is just a hunch. but there aint no way in how they can sell that C8 for 60k for a company profit per unit sold. they have to be selling them at a loss. just a hunch

I think you are confusing the C8 (a small production car) with the GT (a limited production run).

The C8 is the continuation of a line going back to the mid50s. They have a full production line and factory dedicated to it. In the end, its a model update of a production car.

The GT was always going to be a limited run car.

I did see where GM is saying that they are approaching having deposits for the entire production line for 2020 model year though so it is possible that for the next 12 months there will be people flipping them for some level of profit, or at least getting what they paid for it.

I may need to seriously consider buying a C7 if the bottom falls out of their price.

[Silvermk2]

Originally Posted by rennlistuser3

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Practicality: usable small rear seats for FT86 gets it here

Fuel economy: for the lead footed, FT86

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Ironically the corvettes I've had get better gas mileage and were more practical, at least from a trunk space POV, than the BRZ I have now. The biggest downside to the Z06s I had was tires are super expensive and don't last long.

[RToyo86]

Are we talking two FT86's vs the C8?

Or a 86 with 30k in mods?
A BRZ with the PP and a supercharger/turbo, good coils is probably going to be a better track toy. You'll be able to use more of its performance on the street which is a pro for some.

As a all around usable car the C8 wins hands down. It will be more comfortable, better interior, more capable. I think it looks better. It isn't that hard to beat the looks of our platform. We have good body lines but the bumper skins aren't good. Nothing in the Aftermarket fixes that.
But the C8 a base car not set up for track, I imagine most will never see a track. I'm curious how many base cars they will sell. I see people adding options putting it more into the 70-80k range.



Once you see C8 base cars drop in price those things will be a hell of a bargain.

[rennlistuser3]

Originally Posted by Silvermk2

Ironically the corvettes I've had get better gas mileage and were more practical, at least from a trunk space POV, than the BRZ I have now. The biggest downside to the Z06s I had was tires are super expensive and don't last long.

Wait, how is this? you got my interest...

Is your BRZ heavily modified for this to happen? or the Corvette just really more fuel efficient in the real world?

I say this because in my own BRZ (2017 Limited PP) I easily get 34 MPG highway going 70 MPH when it is rated at 29.

I'm wondering if the Vette does way better in the real world than what is quoted?

[rennlistuser3]

Originally Posted by RToyo86

Are we talking two FT86's vs the C8?

Or a 86 with 30k in mods?
A BRZ with the PP and a supercharger/turbo, good coils is probably going to be a better track toy. You'll be able to use more of its performance on the street which is a pro for some.

As a all around usable car the C8 wins hands down. It will be more comfortable, better interior, more capable. I think it looks better. It isn't that hard to beat the looks of our platform. We have good body lines but the bumper skins aren't good. Nothing in the Aftermarket fixes that.
But the C8 a base car not set up for track, I imagine most will never see a track. I'm curious how many base cars they will sell. I see people adding options putting it more into the 70-80k range.



Once you see C8 base cars drop in price those things will be a hell of a bargain.

30k is a heck of a lot of money for mods especially that likely none of it will be seen back in resale value so it's all flushed down the drain.

Another thing with moding is there is always a limit to what you can do and that limit will always be higher in a car designed from the grown up with 500 HP in mind Vs. 200 HP.

Best is to own both! you get the best of both

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Clutch Dog

this is just a hunch. but there aint no way in how they can sell that C8 for 60k for a company profit per unit sold. they have to be selling them at a loss.

Another thing to consider is that not all of Corvette's return comes from sales of the Corvette in isolation. Some of the technology the Corvette team develops ends up in other vehicles. For example, back in the '90s the Corvette team pioneered a cost-effective method of hydroforming to make the frame much stiffer than welded frames without adding weight. I recall reading about the mangles messes of steel they produced when they were first learning how to do it, but they very quickly put that tech to use in their truck line when the Corvette team finally proved it out.

Plus it's a halo car, helping to sell other cars by attracting people to the brand. Someone might end up buying another GM vehicle because the Corvette drew his attention to the Chevy website or dealer. I saw a post from a Chevy salesman one time who said they sold all their Camaros only by promoting the Corvette. Oddly enough, these days the Corvette sells a whole lot of Silverados. You even see marketing materials depicting them together.

GM's cost accountants are very good. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they managed to allocate the development costs to other vehicles to bring the per unit cost down, while also managing to fairly accurately estimate the margin from other vehicles attributable to the Corvette as a marketing tool.

Some pics of Corvettes selling trucks:

[James H]

Transmission: no manual option for C8 so bummer. But DCT of C8 seems to be really good .... twin clutch transmission have not fared well for Ford at all. So much so that they stopped using it in their cars, at least in North America.
I know a lot of C7 owners who had major engine problems (blow engines and disintegrated torque tubes). At one point, Chevy dealerships had stacks of new engines in crates sitting on their receiving dock. And have fun dealing with GM customer service....