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Old 05-15-2017, 11:45 PM   #15
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Tha car's appendix. One of the most ridiculous things ever on a car.
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If you want quiet, get a touring tire in the stock size. It will be quieter, at the expense of performance elsewhere.
Almost all the noise is road noise which of course originates with the tires. However, touring tires quiet enough to reduce road noise will be pretty disappointing handling wise. I would not do this.
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Tha car's appendix. One of the most ridiculous things ever on a car.
Topped by BMW and others who produce "better" engine noises for the cabin through the car's stereo system. Their turbo engines don't make the right noises for the marketing department. I agree, just ridiculous. Ironically, journalists all complain that the engine rounds terrible. It sounds great if you just take the dumb sound generator off the engine.

At least the Subaru contraption just amplifies real intake noise. Kinda like a muscle car with the air cleaner lid reversed doncha know. Hear that powerrrrrr
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Almost all the noise is road noise which of course originates with the tires. However, touring tires quiet enough to reduce road noise will be pretty disappointing handling wise. I would not do this.


The OP's complaint is road noise. Your solution is to not reduce road noise?
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Almost all the noise is road noise which of course originates with the tires. However, touring tires quiet enough to reduce road noise will be pretty disappointing handling wise. I would not do this.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Speed+Rated%29


About an 80% (Subjective to my hearing)reduction in road noise over the stock ones but still with a ultra high performance tire that is truly amazing. I will never buy another type of tire again.
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About an 80% (Subjective to my hearing)reduction in road noise over the stock ones but still with a ultra high performance tire that is truly amazing. I will never buy another type of tire again.
NEVER. NEVER EVER AGAIN!

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oh yeah....... I pictured Tcoat singing this to his tires.
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The OP's complaint is road noise. Your solution is to not reduce road noise?
Yup. Only solution is to strip out interior panelling, glue in some dynamat or similar and make the metal panels heavier so they will be quieter. There is no other solution. Softer tires just ruin the car.
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About an 80% (Subjective to my hearing)reduction in road noise over the stock ones but still with a ultra high performance tire that is truly amazing. I will never buy another type of tire again.
I have these also. I wouldn't call them quiet exactly. Pirelli P Zero all season plus would be quieter yet.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=216

Available from the same link, just connect to the comparison test.

Dig a little deeper and you find out how Pirelli bests Michelin and the previous gold standard Continental DWS.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...r.jsp?ttid=216

Don't choose the Pirelli s for snow!
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I have these also. I wouldn't call them quiet exactly. Pirelli P Zero all season plus would be quieter yet.
Quietest I have ever had on a car but have never tried the Pirellis. How long have you had yours on? How they holding up? I based the whole purchase on the fact that all the reviews were great (with the normal few guys that hate everything thrown in) and have to agree that they are a very good tire.


Looks like most reviewers do not agree with which is quieter.
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Yup. Only solution is to strip out interior panelling, glue in some dynamat or similar and make the metal panels heavier so they will be quieter. There is no other solution. Softer tires just ruin the car.


Great suggestion. Changing tires is clearly a less effective solution than gutting the car and adding 200 pounds of sound insulation.
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Great suggestion. Changing tires is clearly a less effective solution than gutting the car and adding 200 pounds of sound insulation.
If you are adding 200 pounds, you are doing it wrong. I am amazed at how many people misunderstand dynamat and the like... small applications are as effective as full coverage without all the weight. You are trying to dampen the resonant frequencies of the metal, not cover it or make it heavier. Light weight fibrous insulation does a much better job at absorbing sound than dynamat once you have controlled resonance.

When I see a car that has stripped the interior and done full coverage of dynamat or a similar product, I shake my head at the monetary waste, excess weight, and lack of fundamental understanding...

I'll just don my flame suit and leave the thread now...

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Quietest I have ever had on a car but have never tried the Pirellis. How long have you had yours on? How they holding up? I based the whole purchase on the fact that all the reviews were great (with the normal few guys that hate everything thrown in) and have to agree that they are a very good tire.


Looks like most reviewers do not agree with which is quieter.
The P Zero A/S plus is newer than the Michelin. In 2013 when I bought my Michelins the equivalent Pirelli was not so good. I drive about 10,000 miles a year split equally between summer and winter tires. Let us say I do not try to save my tires, smoke em regularly because after 5 years from the DOT stamp they're no good for grip anyhow.

No question the Michelin is the better tire in cold weather and nearly as capable as the Pirelli when used as a summer tire. Snow grip is pretty impressive for the Michelin when you consider how grippy it is in hot weather. Notice the tiny biting teeth in the tread grooves? They really work on snow if it's not too cold.

Let me defend the factory choice of the Primacy. A very light tire with good grip wet or dry. The Primacy suits the power level admirably. Doing all this again I'd modify the shocks and springs before I laid out good money on replacing the fairly good Primacy.
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Great suggestion. Changing tires is clearly a less effective solution than gutting the car and adding 200 pounds of sound insulation.
My point is that there is no solution. Subaru knows all about road noise. If they thought it could be reduced without spoiling the car they would have.

Fitting higher performance tires is a bit of a no brainer but increases road noise and uses more fuel. Sometimes the factory does know better.
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