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07-14-2014, 10:53 AM | #29 | |
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I'm saying that the system where you have an open diff and slip is controlled by individual brakes won't be all that effective when your actual goal is to have the car rotate by slipping yes you can have a very nice VSC system designed that will actuate all the brakes for you and keep the car rock steady, but how is it going to know that you actually want to drift the dang thing? I suppose you can have knobs, and you flip a switch to let the car know "okay right now I want to have some fun"? maybe in 10 years they'll have brain wave sensors and the car will just KNOW
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Will ice mode in this car stop if after inducing it the driver releases a slight amount of brake pressure, or maybe a bit more? If not, what do you do to get the braking back? |
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From what I was told by @Scoobysouth that the aids kick back in at 1.3gs with the normal button press. After that you need to use the pedal dance.
Personally I used it once when the info came out. May give it a shot this weekend.
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It definitely slows you down. First it turns our car into 1wd And 2 The system is too slow. By the time it steals away the precious power, the traction event is long gone. A TRUE lsd would not slow the car down. I just put a Kaaz into mine (review coming) and its definitely better. |
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The ECU's emulated LSD function works by reducing torque to the spinning wheel, and giving it resistance, to give the Torsen a chance to work. It works by reducing your ability to accelerate in a situation where you are not accelerating at all. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68310 |
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If the car allows one rear wheel to lift, and does nothing to stop the spin, we have ZERO wheel drive. I suppose none of you naysayers have ever heard of applying the E-brake with a torsen to apply power to the wheel that is still on the ground? Quote:
The electronic LSD is better than no electronic intervention at all. So by applying the brake at the proper time, to the proper wheel makes you go faster around the corner. |
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well for one thing the real problem is that you're lifting your inside wheel
having your car finger pinch the brakes just so that the torsen can work is collectively known as a "hack"
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It'll activate all the time angling out of driveways with a low-droop car though. |
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Threads like this are why I don't come here looking for input on setup anymore.
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If you mean one of those people who have a 2.0L 4cyl boxer engine in two cars a generation apart, then yeah.
My 914 is a lot lighter than my BRZ.... so which one is faster on the track? Might get to find out on my next track day where they both get to go out. Quote:
I just want to call out those who say it does not work the way that it DOES work. YOU CAN go faster by applying the brakes. |
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if you're faster in the 914 you've either dumped many dollars into it or your FRS has the last 4 gears broken or you're afraid of the wind scratching your paint. i'll just leave this picture here of a finely tuned, precision suspension design.
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