228 xi vs m2

[gt8613]

Originally Posted by Dark

Is he messing with us? I don't think he needs a car at all after 3 years of asking the same question.

To OP: Go get yourself a NA Miata, you will thank me.

basic, cheap, lightweight... cool.

2 seater, no trunk space and a ragtop... can't do it!

[gt8613]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Both cars utilize a 50/50 weight distribution. The difference between between the 228 and 235i is within 1%, seriously.

The 228i is just too neutered. The M235i is praised by many. Having driven it on the track, it's great; I just wish it came with an LSD standard. My only complaint is that a decently equipped M235i with an LSD comes out to about 52k, which is MSRP for the M2, which is in a different performance league.

Furthermore, I don't know what a 228xi is; maybe that's a different region. But here in the U.S., there's a 228i and a 228i xDrive, which is AWD. If you're referring to the xDrive, the difference between the 235 and 228 in weight is less than 100lbs.

As far as aftermarket goes, we can't even discuss that because it's all semantics. Any car can beat any other car with X amount of dollars put into it.

I am going to number things out to make it less messy.

1) They used to designate AWD models with an "XI" (e.g: 325xi, 330xi).


2) I get what you are saying regarding the 228i being "slow", however, here is what is possible: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1117222. No, that is not what I am going to do with my car if I were to get one, however, it shows what can be done thanks to it being lighter. My point is 228i is not just a simple city slow car; it has potential.


3) I didn't realize that the xDrive only comes with Auto. Since that is the case, I am no longer interested in an xDrive model. Anyway, you can see that the M235i is consistently ~200 lbs heavier than the 228i. The weight distribution numbers speak for themselves. You referred to 228i xDrive vs M235i in your argument; I was actually interested in RWD to RWD only and AWD to AWD only.

228i
Weight
Curb Weight – Manual transmission 3295 lbs
Curb Weight – Automatic transmission 3345 lbs
Weight distribution, front/rear – Automatic transmission 50.8/49.2%
Weight distribution, front/rear – Manual transmission 50.4/49.6 %
Engine
Link: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

M235i
Weight
Curb Weight – Manual transmission 3505 lbs
Curb Weight – Automatic transmission 3535 lbs
Weight distribution, front/rear -– Automatic Transmission 52.2/47.8 %
Weight distribution, front/rear – Manual Transmission 51.9/48.1 %
Link: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

228i xDrive
Weight
Curb Weight – Automatic transmission 3470 lbs
Weight distribution, front/rear – Automatic transmission 50.7/49.3%
Link: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

M235 xDrive
Weight
Curb Weight – Automatic transmission 3695 lbs
Weight distribution, front/rear -– Automatic Transmission 53.5/46.5 %
Link: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx


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Regarding this comment from you: "As far as aftermarket goes, we can't even discuss that because it's all semantics. Any car can beat any other car with X amount of dollars put into it", I wasn't comparing a 228i to a M235i, I was saying a 228i can be made fast quite easily and and can be considered to be a pretty good buy given better balance, lighter weight, adequate power / higher everyday fun factor (slow car/fast driver), better MPG and lower cost. The only thing the 228i is competing for here is whether it meets a certain set of needs and how well does it do it.


5) M2 > M235i making M235i pointless just like you said. I think the 228i can be quite the bang for the buck... that is all!

[DarkSunrise]

Bit of an odd comparison, but for my money the answer is M2 anyday. I think the 2-series design looks slab-sided overall, but the fender flares on the M2 largely fix that. The M2 is also probably the purest of the M cars today, hearkening back to the E46 M3 not only in dimensions but also driving feel.

You should read the article where Klaus Frohlich (BMW's chief engineer) talks about his performance and handling targets with the M2. He basically benchmarked the E46 M3 and wanted to create its spiritual successor, but with better performance. He also claims that unlike base 2-series cars, the M2 is fully track-capable from the factory (if that's something that's important to you.) If you're looking for the car in the BMW lineup today that best distills down the essence of the M series, I think you have to go with the M2.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markewin.../#4a77d18aa1c4

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by gt8613

Really? Is your life so dull and stagnant that you think something said three years ago should be applicable today? Also, thanks for remembering what I said three years ago... how?? I mean, bravo... pretty good! Do you spend your time doing this kind of digging often or you just worked pretty hard here? Either way, all that time spent ...does your wife not give you blowjobs? You don't get no sex???

10/10 you're right I should be a better person like you.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

10/10 you're right I should be a better person like you.

Never gonna happen. Nature > nurture.

[continuecrushing]

if you choose a BMW, don't get an XI

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Never gonna happen. Nature > nurture.

Some people are just born with good jeans.

[gt8613]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Bit of an odd comparison, but for my money the answer is M2 anyday. I think the 2-series design looks slab-sided overall, but the fender flares on the M2 largely fix that. The M2 is also probably the purest of the M cars today, hearkening back to the E46 M3 not only in dimensions but also driving feel.

You should read the article where Klaus Frohlich (BMW's chief engineer) talks about his performance and handling targets with the M2. He basically benchmarked the E46 M3 and wanted to create its spiritual successor, but with better performance. He also claims that unlike base 2-series cars, the M2 is fully track-capable from the factory (if that's something that's important to you.) If you're looking for the car in the BMW lineup today that best distills down the essence of the M series, I think you have to go with the M2.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markewin.../#4a77d18aa1c4

I agree with what you said. Yes def. an odd comparison but I thought it would be an interesting one. I am not an expert driver so I wanted to hear thoughts from more experienced people. I mean this very well is "ambitious but rubbish".

[gt8613]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Some people are just born with good jeans.

Do they come with a denim top also?

[synchromesh]

The 2 series was ranked the most reliable "sporty" car for 2015 by Consumer Reports. I'd rather wait it out and stay but if it means a bishop has to protect a pawn, then so be it.


If you order an M2 now, word has it that you could be waiting up to a year for it.

[cdrazic93]

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by synchromesh

The 2 series was ranked the most reliable "sporty" car for 2015 by Consumer Reports. I'd rather wait it out and stay but if it means a bishop has to protect a pawn, then so be it.


If you order an M2 now, word has it that you could be waiting up to a year for it.

Yep, as of right now, a lot of dealers are only getting one allocation per month. The dealer I work at, for instance, is getting one per month, and they're all spoken for through the year.

If you were to come here and put your name on the waiting list, the earliest you'd probably see it would be Feb-Mar of 2017.

[gt8613]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Yep, as of right now, a lot of dealers are only getting one allocation per month. The dealer I work at, for instance, is getting one per month, and they're all spoken for through the year.

If you were to come here and put your name on the waiting list, the earliest you'd probably see it would be Feb-Mar of 2017.

FAAAWWWWK! Thanks.

[Noble713]

Originally Posted by gt8613

Do they come with a denim top also?

Only if you have Jay Leno's jeans.