Why would more power ruin the car??

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Harey

Because it keeps going



There are so many high powered 86s out there running awesome lap times. How do they do increase power and keep it handling well is all im really asking.

Lap times do not necessarily indicate good handling. Handling is entirely subjective. A Geo Metro on R compounds and a massive turbo will turn awesome lap times for a Metro, but according to a lot of people it won't handle well.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Harey

Because it keeps going

There are so many high powered 86s out there running awesome lap times. How do they do increase power and keep it handling well is all im really asking.

Mine handles great. Here is what I did:


Suspension and Steering
TRD lowering springs
TRD sway bars
Yoshihara D5C 18x8 +40 rims w/Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires
Heavy Duty Steering Rack Bushings
STI Upgraded Steering Rack Bolts
Anti-Lift/Caster Bushing Kit
Front Control Arm Rear Bushings
Rear Trailing Arm Bushings
Front Toe Arm Bushings
Inner Lower Rear Control Arm Bushings
roll center adjuster set


Engine & Drivetrain
Jackson Racing Supercharger
Jackson Racing Oil Cooler
Jackson Racing Aluminum Neck Filler/Radiator Cap
DW 700CC injectors
DW 300c Fuel Pump
Delicious Tuning Flex Fuel MK1+ Kit
Custom Tune by William Knose of Delicious Tuning
TRD exhaust
South Bend Stage 2 Daily clutch
Velox Billet Shift Fork and Pivot
TRD Japan short shifter
DSS Carbon Fiber Driveshaft
Rear Sub frame Insert bushings
Rear Differential Inserts
Transmission Bushing Insert



Brakes
DBA 4000 drilled and slotted rotors
DS2500 Ferodo brake pads
Perrin master cylinder brace
Mann Engineering Stainless Steel Brake Lines

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by Harey

Because it keeps going

There are so many high powered 86s out there running awesome lap times. How do they do increase power and keep it handling well is all im really asking.

No secret there.
They spend more $$$ than what it cost to buy the car
They give up reliability
They give up comfort
They give up resale value
They go into denial about all of the above.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

No secret there.
They spend more $$$ than what it cost to buy the car (it does cost to play)
They give up reliability (not really)
They give up comfort (depends on your setup. Mine is setup for street so quite comfy)
They give up resale value (seriously? Yea, non modded cars are worth a fortune)
They go into denial about all of the above. ( envious much?)

Lol

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I missed seeing this until niki was kind enough to bring it up.

:b

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes, agreed these things can be measured but that does not define a car as "ruined" or not. There are still some that will prefer one aspect over another and will say the guy that likes something else is dead wrong. That is why I don't think you will ever get a black and white answer to a very gray question.

The question is how you can modify without ruining too much or even at all of how the car came from the factory. It is like improving the details of something that was already good and not trying to change it entirely. Some don't care about the latter and they'll swap the engine or install a turbo to get 300+ hp or strip the interior or whatever, but then you have something entirely different from what you had in first place.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

:b

....but then you have something entirely different from what you had in first place.

And that's ok. Still not ruined.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

:b



The question is how you can modify without ruining too much or even at all of how the car came from the factory. It is like improving the details of something that was already good and not trying to change it entirely. Some don't care about the latter and they'll swap the engine or install a turbo to get 300+ hp or strip the interior or whatever, but then you have something entirely different from what you had in first place.

That is just it. There is no definition of "ruined". What one will say is the worst thing ever somebody else will think is the best. If we are talking keeping it as intended from the factory then even changing the tires could be classified as "ruining" it. The people that have done major modifications do not think they ruined anything. Well... most don't at any rate.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

And that's ok. Still not ruined.

Exactly!
Yours is probably one of, if not the best, jobs I have seen as far as adding power and doing all the work required to support that power. Is it "ruined" in my mind? Most certainly not. Is it what I would want for myself? Again most certainly not. Different goals, plan of use, driving conditions and even styles mean each person needs to decide what they want but these wants and needs "ruin" nothing about the car. They just change it.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

And that's ok. Still not ruined.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That is just it. There is no definition of "ruined". What one will say is the worst thing ever somebody else will think is the best. If we are talking keeping it as intended from the factory then even changing the tires could be classified as "ruining" it. The people that have done major modifications do not think they ruined anything. Well... most don't at any rate.

People would get it easier if they lived in a country that has rules of what you can change and what not. A car is supposed to be driven on public streets, to be safe and in general comply with regulations. Otherwise, it can be a weapon and it can even kill.

Factory provided many modifications on special edition models etc. There are a lot of options without going too aggressive or breaking the law ...

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

People would get it easier if they lived in a country that has rules of what you can change and what not. A car is supposed to be driven on public streets, to be safe and in general comply with regulations. Otherwise, it can be a weapon and it can even kill.

Factory provided many modifications on special edition models etc. There are a lot of options without going too aggressive or breaking the law ...

No, I totally get that you do not get it.

My car is 100% safety and smog legal.

Any car in the hands of an idiot can kill people.

Living in a country with an oppressive government doesn't have anything to do with the subject.

You are really reaching now.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Lol

What exactly am I supposed to be envious of?

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

What exactly am I supposed to be envious of?

You tell me? Why else would you post of your self diagnosis of someone else's "denial"?

[mrg666]

So, did guys decide if my car is ruined? So curious!

[Impureclient]

So 18 pages later, is there any kind of consensus here? The engineers over at Toyota/Subaru can't wait forever for this to have some kind of conclusion so they can move forward.